Eric Zorn has the transcripts up of Zell’s appearances on Hardball and CNN
I saw both, the CNN was more damning in many ways. MSNBC was entertaining, but not nearly as substantive. Blitzer actually called on his expertise covering the Pentagon and cornered Miller on the B-2 and the F-14. The Apache was also included as I recall and we saw the exact problem of the Apache in Kosovo where it’s heavy deployment footprint makes it hard to use in an armed forces that needs to be highly mobile. The B-2 is virtually useless except in a large scale nuclear war–not unlike the B-1 that is marginally useful only after retrofits. The F-117 is far more effective in delivering conventional weapons as a stealth aircraft. The programs stick around because defense contractors spread their development around to enough Congressional districts.
As far as I can tell, Greenfield stopped asking questions because he was laughing when I watched.