Strangely enough, kids run into families with two mommies so showing that they exist wouldn’t normally be controversial.
I grew up with a single mother and while I’m the first to admit that isn’t ideal (think about trying to do it all alone amazes me), but it certainly is normal.
What people seem to miss in ranting about the ‘gay agenda’ is that one doesn’t have to approve of the gay relationships, but teaching kids to understand that there are differences in families and you’ll run into those differences is a good thing generally.
There are families in which the wife is subservient to the husband due to religious beliefs. I believe that is wrong and I teach my girls that, but I don’t expect them to be sheltered from such beliefs and I certainly expect them to be tolerant of such relationships. Would I be offended by a cartoon that showed such a family? No. I’d point out to my girls why we don’t believe in women being subservient and let them think about it. It’s called broadening their horizons.
And as I like to point ad naseum to people like Muir, the public opinion polling is pretty murky on same sex relationships. A majority of people oppose same sex marriages, but a majority also supports domestic partnerships.
In more reactionary fun, Muir takes to task a woman who is in a same-sex relationship comparing the qualifications for marriage to that of a drivers license:
This comment is simply another tired ploy by the gay community to liken its cause to the civil rights movement, which is insulting at best and absurd at worst. And let me also say her allegation that individuals have been denied equal rights concerning marriage is unequivocally wrong. […]
(I)t seems that proponents of gay marriage really don’t want equal rights — they already have equal rights just like the rest of us — they want special rights. This argument would be comparable to a 16-year-old screaming discrimination because he or she can’t vote or a 12-year-old claiming their equal rights have been denied because they can’t obtain a driver’s license.
Ummm..no, actually the point of the drivers license is that it is age tested because age is a factor in how well one can operate a motor vehicle.
Now, if one views marriage as only for procreation, then there is an argument against gays and lesbians, but also anyone infertile. Otherwise, whether someone is of the same sex as their partner should have no impact on the state’s interest in extending contractual benefits between two adults. Muir seems to stop the analysis at the point of saying “It’s the law”.
When we discriminate, I’d like to think we do it for cause–something about the identified trait makes it important to exclude someone–such as age and driving. In terms of same sex partnerships or marriage, the question should be is there a compelling state interest to denying such relationships. In this case, the argument appears to be that it makes a majority of people feel icky.
There are others who make the argument that gay marriages destroy straight ones, but there’s little evidence to support such an argument.
I don’t know if Muir is a redneck and I don’t care. I do care that he can barely string an argument together other than to say, the world is eroding because of two bunnies on a children’s cartoon make him feel uncomfortable.
Via Capitol Fax
What’s equally compelling is Muir’s choice of pronouns:
“What once was considered perverse and bizarre is now considered the norm. And what once was looked at as outlandish, unheard of and over-the-top is now considered to merely be routine.”
Lesbian couples raising children are a “who,” not a “what.” Try this sentence: “People who were once perverse and bizarre are now considered the norm. People who were once looked at as outlandish, unheard of and over-the-top are now considered to merely be routine.”
Jim Muir’s logic only makes sense if you consider gays something less than human. Given his choice of language, I think it’s safe to say that Muir would concur that gays are something less than human.
From Rapid Response Illinois (2/4/05) :
DISCRIMINATION AGENDA
Conservatives, when they don’t like a particular group, will often say that group has “an agenda:” the liberal agenda, the black agenda, the homosexual agenda…
But all these groups have the same agenda. It’s an agenda of community, equality, fairness, responsibility, and security. It’s the American agenda.
So the recent conservative broo-hahas over “SpongeBob SquarePants” (he’s a sponge) and “Postcards from Buster” (he’s a bunny) miss the point:
– Americans don’t discriminate
– Americans don’t hate
– Americans don’t force people to hide behind closed doors (or “in closets”)
In fact, these things are exactly what the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock were trying to escape and what our Founding Fathers fought against.
‘Boy, that’s a lot of moms’
Watching the controversial ‘Buster’ episode with a 2-year-old
By Maureen Ryan
Tribune staff reporter
Published February 3, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/5lasl
— Why is it “controversial”? Is it because some Americans choose to discriminate?
ctc-tribletter@tribune.com
See here for some additional salient points:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/3/23419/59994
Rapid Response Illinois would be at…
http://www.rapidresponsenetwork.org
I have several responses to this over at my site from Christians on the topic of Diversity and Tolerance if you want a different take.
Here is an excerpt:
I keep hearing the same argument that by replacing homosexuals with the word blacks shows that those opposed to the Gay-Agenda are discrimination against gays. Let?s use the following example:
1. We say, ?Same-Sex marriages should not be legal.?
2. The argument is in the 60?s, ?Interracial marriages should not be legal.?
This argument sounds reasonable doesn?t it? It makes you think about how blacks were treated. Let?s go further now though to show how ridiculous this argument is by replacing one word just as above.
1. Interspecies marriages should not be legal.
2. Adult/Child marriages are should not be legal.
3. Polyamorous marriages are should not be legal.
4. Living/Dead marriages are should not be legal. (BTW, these are legal in France under special circumstances.)
No, what is ridiculous is comparing an interspecies marriage, a child/adult marriage or a living dead marriage.
Those marriages aren’t legal in any sense that matters in France. The stupidity of the argument is that those marriages aren’t between fully consenting adults and consensual. Child marriages are inherently wrong because the child cannot consent nor can other species, though I suppose there would be nothing evil with another sentient species, but I’ll save that for Star Trek. Living dead marriages don’t involve two alive people, let alone consenting adults.
I’ve discussed the argument about polyamorous marriages and there is a serious question as to whether they should be illegal. The mores against them are not universally held by religious groups even and so the reasons against them boil down to that in practice, they are almost always manipulative relationships that aren’t consensual.
It’s just dishonest to not even bother to mention that bit about consensual adults and then bring up silly garbage like pedophilia as a comparison.
The issue is whether sexual conduct, i.e. a choice should be elevated to the status of a civil right. Race is not a choice and it should not be compared to as you put it, “consenting adults”.
The consenting adults argument does not hold up either. Their are other acts that are commited by consenting adults that even you would agree should not be a civil right. This argument is still apples to oranges. They are not equivalent.
My, my you are very good at misdirection. The point of one’s sexual orientation isn’t just their conduct, it is a part of who they are and whether it is relevant to their participation in society. Whether one loves a man or a woman is irrelevant to their participation and as something that is integral to their identity and not just a choice—it should be protected.
What you are confusing is that one who engages in something that might be integral to them, but is harmful, we still don’t allow.
By your argument, religion would be a choice and thus not subject to protection, but sexual orientation would be subject to protection since no who studies such things seriously claims the orientation is a choice. Instead, you worry about what they are doing with their genitals. Telling.
I would love to get your views on Social Security, oh, sorry redirecting you again.
Homosexuality is not hereditary. Here’s a study you seem to not know exists that throws the Gay Gene Theory into much doubt.
Yes, by my argument, religion is a choice and is should not be subject to protection in the same sense either. Freedom of Religion on the other hand is protected by the First Amendment. I really do need to find time to research why and when it was started to be included in civil right legislation when it was already a protected right from the formation of our country.
You are terribly confused about the arguments over what makes one gay. I never said it was heriditary, so you are, again, leading off on a tangent. Something may be genetic and not hereditary and something may be nuture and not be a choice.
The 1st Amendment doesn’t apply to private employers, landlords, accommodation providers, etc. The 1st Amendment only affects government decisions. This is a very basic point.
The reason it is included in civil rights legislation is to preclude private discrimination against individuals of different faiths.