He’s got the Idaho Values Association call for Craig’s resignation:
If the senator did indeed engage in the behavior to which he pled guilty, then the appropriate thing for him to do is to resign from office. Character is an essential qualification for public service, and the essence of character is what you do when you do not think anyone is looking.
The problem here, for Petey, is that as a guy who makes a habit of going undercover to investigate homosexual practices, he might want to be careful about supporting such convictions…..
Oh I get it, anyone who criticizes or exposes homosexual perversion is perverted himself. So according to that logic that would make Archpundit a … raging Christian fundamentalist.
Exposing…
Petey, you have an unnatural obsession with gay sex that even my gayest of friends do not share. Going to your web site is a bit different than going undercover to gay sex hangouts.
Grow up, Larry, and stop playing “Kill the messenger.” “Petey”… nice touch. Why don’t you focus some of that critical energy on your fellow “gay” activists — groups like Lambda Legal with its “Little Black Book” for keeping gay cruisers out of trouble (who’s obsessed now?) — or the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which actually invited the webmaster for the “Cruising for Sex” website to speak at its “Creating Change” conferences?
Nope, makes more sense to focus on the critics of homosexual public perversion than its “gay” enablers.
How many gay magazines do you have sitting around your office Petey? How is it that one of your employees who is now ex-ex-gay says he learned more about odd gay sexual practices from you instead of when he was in the gay community?
You are more than a little weird. Obsessing about other people’s sex lives is an odd and troubling behavior.
Isn’t obsessing about other people’s sex lives “perverted” in and of itself?
Most people don’t travel to meet-market bars, strip clubs, bath houses, parade routes, adult book stores, and other assorted sexually-oriented places in order to run back and report on the activities seen to their friends. The frequency with which Mr. LaBarbera does it implies he may be using the “reporting” aspect simply as an excuse for his own curiosities, just as Sen. Craig seems to have used the “need to use the restroom” excuse.
It’s curious that many of the most ardently anti-gay conservatives end up being gay themselves. Wonder why that is.
Hi,
I’m some1 who believes the only sexual activity is man having missionary sex with woman. I’m against both oral sex & sodomy & I believe that they must abolish sex change maimings. Even if sexual orientation doesn’t change, it’s changing sex lives of H&L to either missionary sex or celibacy. Genes are a moot point. Larry Craig is a hypocrite & on any topic, you can find a few hypocrites.
But since this is about Mr. LaBarbera, let me say that I have gone to Americans for Truth website, which is where he posted this link. I’m not a Christian & I’m not even religious, but I agree with Mr. LaBarbera. I do think that if you want to have a dialogue, please don’t engage in personal attacks on Mr. LaBarbera, accusing him of things he doesn’t do.
[…] Here’s a little exchange I had with St. Louis-based homosexual writer Larry Handlin of the liberal blog “Archpundit.” Handlin calls me “Petey” – something he learned in Putdown School – and he restates the tired ”gay” cliche of me and Americans For Truth as “obsessed,” purient perverts because we expose homosexual excesses – like the organized public “cruising” network that is part of Sen. Larry Craig’s current sex scandal. Here’s the exchange on Handlin’s blog: […]
For someone who’s not a Christian or even religious, you sure sound like one; a Victorian Christian in fact. Only missionary sex? Your sex partners must be thrilled to death to have sex with you! As for Mr. Pete, who said anything about wanting to have a dialogue with him? The only ones that want to have a dialogue with him are Christian Taliban types like himself. Apparently you don’t know him like we do. Anyone that makes a career out of focusing on a segment of society’s sexual habits is in desperate need of professional help!
While I’m not an atheist, I’m not religious. You don’t have to be religious to be against H&L activities. John Biver of Family Taxpayers Networks is not religious & he is against H&L activities. You can be an atheist & be against H&L activities, so it’s wrong to imply that it’s just religious people. OK, Judeo-Christians & Muslims such as Peter LaBarbera use religion to justify their views, but in fairness, they were against these sexual behaviors long before discussions arose over the causes.
I want to avoid another discussion on homosexuality, because it reruns the same things we’ve heard so many times before. You can find people who are hypocritical on abortion or gun control-alleged pro-lifers & or alleged gun control supporters & then when their teen daughter gets pregnant, they urge her to get an abortion. Or some1 who claims to support gun control & then buys a gun.
Larry Craig is a hypocrite, as there have been others. However, the fact that there are some hypocrites on homosexuality, doesn’t mean most are.
Peter LaBarbera has said that when people can’t honestly discuss issues, they accuse him as he said Box Turtle Bulletin & this site did. The accusation are nothing more than ad homenims. Honest discussions has neither censorship, nor deceit, nor ad homenims as has been done to Peter LaBarbera. You’re not telling Peter LaBarbera anything new, but rehashing what others have done.
Box Turtle Bulletin? Hmmmm…I hadn’t thought of that before, but it’s a great new name!
I’m not sure if you are troll, a parody, or just cannot put together a coherent sentence, but I have to know why Missionary position is only acceptable to you…
Peter LaBarbera is a sick man. He educates America’s children of sick fetishes which only a tiny fraction of couples/individuals participate in (scat, golden showers, beastiality). He collects gay porn, trolls gay bathhouses and M4M sex websites, and tracks urine and semen into his house, around his own kids.
It’s only a matter of time before Peter is caught doing the same things he’s constantly talking about – just like Larry Craig. You may be sneaky, Barbara – walking around in bathhouses in nothing but a towel and fogged-up glasses – but your day will come, and everyone will laugh.
In fairness, it’s so easy to judge people, demonizing them on the spot. Rather than taking time to have a debate. Laws are already in place, protecting people of different backgrounds.
Its not hate speech to have a debate, exchanging dialogue. But in the eyes of homosexuals all heterosexuals are evil.
It’s not all surprising that homosexuals resort to name calling, using hate speech and political correctness, in silencing anyone who dares to open his or her mouth.
Don’t take it personal when someone says he or she doesn’t like you, regardless of creed or background, and so forth. It doesn’t mean that someone is prejudice in any way shape or form. There are different factors aside from not being prejudice. It basically means he or she that person doesn’t like you.
No offence to gays, if someone gives you a finger, you would get upset. You would most definitely sue that individual, for hate speech and intimidation.
The whole victim mentality has gone way too far, simmer down and relax.
As a general rule, don’t make assumptions.
===It’s not all surprising that homosexuals resort to name calling, using hate speech and political correctness, in silencing anyone who dares to open his or her mouth.
Of course. Peter’s arguments are well thought out including the assumption that because one gay person does something, all of them most do something.
What is Peter’s argument other than gay and lesbian people make him feel icky because of something some of them do?
Guys, I’ll tell you what is sick: creating a website for men to find anonymous sex with other men — in restrooms and public parks. I don’t care if these men call themselves “gay,” straight or married: if they’re having sex in public places, it’s wrong. That’s what we were discussing here.
Predictably, Larry avoided my question, and instead launched into another cheap ad hominem attack. Guys, get an argument. What’s weirder: the fact that a powerful “gay” group like Lambda Legal actually enables “public sex” — see Lambda Legal’s “Little Black Book” to keep “cruisers” “out of trouble,” linked off AFTAH’s website — or that we at AFTAH report it?
The Left takes obfuscation to a new level. When you have no argument, launch into another personal attack….
I don’t consider myself a prude, but I’m inclined to agree with Missionary man. I would never fuck my dog in the butt, it’s just unseemly and besides, my dog is a boy dog and I’m not gay. But I would make an exception for doggystyle sex. Sometimes when the mood strikes and there’s no where else to go and you find yourself having sex in a dirty alley, it’s just not chivalrous to ask my girlfriend to lay down in the dirty alley when she can just bend over and hang on to the dumpster for dear life. There’s a lot less drycleaning involved that way. But I would never let her get on top and play rodeo queen, no self respecting man would let a woman take control in bed. It’s a slippery slope between letting her get on top and drive, next thing you know you are bent over the wine cabinet getting sodomized by her strap on and that’s no way to live.
Archpundit,
When I write missionary way, I mean penis entering a woman’s vagina. Mr. LaBarbera & Just Dropping in have defended themselves well. It must be noted that some of the things written about Mr.LaBarbera maybe grounds for a defamation of character lawsuit. Please write facts, rather than make unsubstantiated & false accusations about Mr. LaBarbera.
going back to the first response from the Pete-ster: he doesn’t like it when people suggest that, since he’s more versed in the ins and outs, pun absolutely intended, of freaky gay sex than most of my fellow gays, he just might be hiding something himself. Peter replies that “by that logic Archpundit [is] a…raging Christian fundamentalist.”
point not taken. there are scientific studies offering concrete evidence that those men who profess the greatest aversion to homosexuality tend to be, in fact, hiding their same-sex attractions. which means, they’re gay, Peter, they’re gay. just like Larry Craig is gay. i know, i know, he would protest that assertion, just like you protest, Peter, when gay activists/bloggers/casual observers assert that you might be hiding something.
but there is a big difference between, as you say, believing something is morally wrong, based on your religion, but otherwise living your own life, and devoting your career, your livelihood, going as far as to start an entire organization (that gives banquets and goes to parades and everything, natch!) to “expose” the “evil” of that “sin.”
the apropos expression here is “methinks thou dost protesteth too much…”
AND!
i would suggest that groups like Lambda and NGLTF aren’t actually “promoting” this behaviour, but rather, they acknowledge that a minority of gay people, many closeted, do engage in this type of behaviour, and so they, in turn, issue a little common-sense packet.
it’s sort of like how teens who become sexually active are more likely to make responsible decisions if they’ve been accurately educated, rather than having abstinence rammed down their throats as the only option. common sense and the entire run of human history indicate that, try to influence them though we might, teens have gigantic crazy hormones coursing through their bodies, and many of them will rip up their abstinence pledges (i did, baby) and succumb to their urges. you can’t live peoples’ lives for them, Peter.
this is all a bit funny, though, because, at least for out gay men, this is a bit generational anyway. (the closeted men with wedding rings in their pockets may never change, i fear.) things have changed so much in the past few decades, and things like rest-stop sex are really dying vestiges of a time when society was such an unfriendly place for gay people that, not just sex, but their entire beings were pushed underground.
times have changed. seventy-five percent of people between 18 and 34 see no moral crisis with homosexuality, and it has nothing to do with the “liberal media” or “Will & Grace” or anything like that. the majority of people now understand that gay people are just like them because they have a gay brother, a gay sister, a gay aunt, a gay tennis buddy, or even (horrors!) a gay friend at church. (oh bless Jesus!) likewise, the younger generation of gays, in this and other free countries, live pretty boring normal lives. do young gay men still do slutty things? well, by god, yes! but they do it the way straight people do now…meet at a bar/on the internet/whatever, and go have a one-night-stand. like i said. boring, predictable, normal, no different from you. well, maybe different from YOU, Peter.
we don’t raise our children to hate other people.
Missionary, if you’re talking about my comments being defamatory, you’re wrong. They’re facts. Peter PROUDLY boasts about going to piss events, going to bathhouses, and everything else I said previously. None of that is a secret.
And Peter is lying – he was trying to make this into “all gays do exactly what Larry Craig did”, and being a gay person who’s never done anonymous public sex, it should be me, and every gay person who’s never had anonymous sex who should be able to sue Peter, Stacy Harp, and that loony bunch. And now he’s trying to add the “I don’t like heteros having public sex either”. He’s so full of it, it’s hilarious.
And Evan,
I think Peter IS hiding something. Coming soon on my blog, I’m working on a piece in which I !publicly! ask straight men (some who say they’re Christian) if no matter how much they detested the thought of gay sex (a) would they voluntarily watch men piss all over each other? (b) would they go into bathhouses to watch men have sex (c) would they watch gay pornography to “expose the gay agenda”? (as if gay sex has somehow evolved and must be kept up-to-date on), and so on. It’s called “What Straight Men Think About Peter LaBarbera”.
If Peter wants to be well-known (and PROFIT!) at MY expense, and every other decent gay folks who live pretty normal and boring lives – then I’m going to help him out. It might not be what he’s seeking, but I feel if he can spread lies about me and make up shit about my personal life, then I’m going to show facts to the public, and see what they think about Peter. Two can play that game.
Larry wrote:
— Of course. Peter’s arguments are well thought out including the assumption that because one gay person does something, all of them most do something. —
Never said that. Asked you to comment on why homosexual activist groups like Lambda Legal support or enable illicit activity like ‘public sex,’ and why is it wrong to expose that. Will you answer that?
i kind of answered that question, Peter.
but i will say, Peter, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for exposing that.
i, as an openly gay man, actually had no idea those organizations carried information on such things.
now i can file that information away in my “useless shit” repository, along with all the other information i’ve picked up today that’s of no consequence to me.
in fact, most of your exposures are news to regular people, gay or straight, due to the fact that they’re either A. not nearly as widespread and jaw-dropping as you imply, or B. trumped-up stories about nothing. like the Fort Lauderdale thing. the police called BS on that story, didn’t they, Peter? but now suburban housewives in South Florida are scared to send their kids to the bathroom alone.
hey Peter? there’s a war going on. American kids are dying senselessly. stop wasting your life focusing on what i might or might not do in my bedroom, and go volunteer at a soup kitchen, or teach somebody to read, or go to New Orleans and help build houses, or pick up litter off the freaking highway for all i care, and maybe that’ll teach you a little more about Jesus’s numerous calls to care for the poor, to tend to “the least of these,” maybe you’ll see that the root word of “Christian” is, in fact, “Christ,” and that your current vocation couldn’t be further from his message.
===Never said that. Asked you to comment on why homosexual activist groups like Lambda Legal support or enable illicit activity like ‘public sex,’ and why is it wrong to expose that. Will you answer that?
You do it all of the time. That’s the thing. You find the weirdest thing and then proclaim it’s the norm. Which it must seem if you read gay porn magazines and go to places to ‘investigate’ them all of the time.
Now, as Evan pointed out, Lambda’s little Black Book isn’t all that shocking once one reads it. It points out that, gee, if you have sex where others can see you, you might get arrested. However, what is most interesting is that many of the behaviors that they describe gay men getting arrested–asking people for sex, would get a whole lot of heterosexuals thrown in jail at the local singles bar.
What would reduce cruising? Not making the environment hostile for men who are gay in the larger society so they can form normal relationships. But you hate that too.
I did not proclaim it’s the norm for everyone. I reported it — just like you might report (and rightly so) if XYZ Pro-Family Group published a booklet advocating, say, racism in church pews. If such a group did that, they’d be out of business in a heartbeat. Why are the standards lower for gay groups? I would argue it’s because by definition they defend immoral behavior.
It’s fascinating and newsworthy what the “gay” movement — which aspires to be mainstream — tolerates. (Which is not to say that there’s not plenty of perversion in straight society.)
Now here you go proving my point; you write ==Now, as Evan pointed out, Lambda’s little Black Book isn’t all that shocking once one reads it.==
Sorry, Larry: the Little Black Book is twisted, precisely because “normal” men (and women) do not go have sex in parks and bathrooms. Normal guys think that’s weird and perverted. And guess what: if heterosexuals are doing it, it’s wacked, too. Dan Savage celebrates that straights are becoming like gay men in their sexual habits (open relationships, etc.). Wonderful.
We may never agree on the morality of homosexuality and what is normal, but my point is that if high-powered groups like LL are willing to risk their repuation on projects like the “Little Black Book,” they are emblematic of a movement that is seeking to build acceptance for bad behavior — through force of law if necessary.
Men who have sex in public places, that’s just plain disturbing. What are you animals? Dogs and other animals do that, not people. Whatever happened to decency and common sense? Reap what you sow.
I hate to say this, I really do. But catching AIDS is not glamorous. Giving AIDS to someone is not a gift either. Infecting someone intentionally constitutes murder and maliciousness. There ought to be penalties for death for infecting the poor shmoes and the hapless victims on purpose.
If a man intentionally infects his wife or girlfriend, it’s a sure sign of pure hatred toward her. Same goes for homosexuals, who infect their partners.
Every individual is responsibility for his or her action. Everyone has the God given right for self determination. Family values are not antiquated or out of date. I was raised to respect other people regardless.
Political correctness is a religion of fools. I’m not religious or an atheist. I would rather follow my own path in life and accept the consequences of my actions. I prefer to have the facts than half truths and lies. The world is full of putrid turd, let alone the stench.
If you don’t like what heterosexuals are doing in bed, don’t pry into other people’s affairs. Man and woman is not controversial, it’s a fact.
And another thing, as a recent saying goes, Be careful what you post on your blogs, eventually someone find them offensive. Common sense!
Rather than bitching all the time and moodier than the weather, take some time out. Go out and relax. Find a hobby. I don’t give a damn, just find something.
Once again, you’re simply rehashing what I’ve heard many times before. Yes, there are people who are “latently” homo, but as noted, proclivity is a moot point & it’s about preventing or ending sexual behaviors even if proclivity doesn’t change. Some will find this offensive, but there could be a rapist gene-rapists don’t choose their feelings. But we do what we can to prevent rape or punish those who rape even if they’re born that way.
Now people will do as they see fit right or wrong. H&L activities between fully knowing & willful adults are legal. But I don’t consider them a group comparable to ethnic groups. They’re a group based on sexual activiities.
What h&L groups don’t have a right to do, is to force people to listen to their views that their sex lives are OK. If you see something wrong with certain sexual behaviors, then you should have a right to speak against it. As John Biver of FTN said, you raised the topic not Mr. LaBarbera. Mr. LaBarbera wouldn’t comment so much on homosexuality if H&L groups simply keep their sex lives in the bedroom & stop pushing their views that their sex lives are OK. Finally, work is not the place to discuss homosexuality. It’s sexual harassment to force employees to listen to the view it’s OK, esp. when opposing views aren’t given. Discuss it outside work.
Now people will do as they see fit right or wrong. H&L activities between fully knowing & willful adults are legal. But I don’t consider them a group comparable to ethnic groups. They’re a group based on sexual activiities.
No, they’re not. You can be gay and not have gay sex. You can have gay sex and not be gay (e.g. college experimentation).
What h&L groups don’t have a right to do, is to force people to listen to their views that their sex lives are OK.
I still can’t figure out what these “H&L groups” are that you keep complaining about. Anyway, no one is forcing you to do anything. Unless someone broke in to your home, handcuffed you, and forced you to listen to a lecture, no one is forcing anything on you. Listening to conservatives, however, it seems their idea of “forcing the gay lifestyle” on someone is the same as “acknowledging gay people exist.”
It’s pretty much your goal Petey:
“I don’t think so-called GLBT teens are told anything like this” by their school counselors, LaBarbera said. “We need to find ways to bring shame back to those who are practicing and advocating homosexual behavior.”
===What h&L groups don’t have a right to do, is to force people to listen to their views that their sex lives are OK
Yes, that damn First Amendment sucks doesn’t it?
===. Mr. LaBarbera wouldn’t comment so much on homosexuality if H&L groups simply keep their sex lives in the bedroom & stop pushing their views that their sex lives are OK.
No, Petey goes out of his way to find gay events to investigate. Ask him about gay baths in Chicago. I know of no better repository of information on that subject than LaBarbera.
===Finally, work is not the place to discuss homosexuality. It’s sexual harassment to force employees to listen to the view it’s OK, esp. when opposing views aren’t given. Discuss it outside work.
This is entirely incoherent. If you are trying to talk about tolerance programs, they aren’t talking about sex, they are talking about not harrassing people.
“What h&L groups don’t have a right to do, is to force people to listen to their views that their sex lives are OK.”
Oh, I get it. It’s okay that straights force gays to listen about their sexual conquests, marriage plans, spouses, kids, Viagra commercials, etc., etc., etc. But, gays (h&L groups) shouldn’t force straights to listen about their lives.
I believe that’s called – – hypocrisy.
“Mr. LaBarbera wouldn’t comment so much on homosexuality if H&L groups simply keep their sex lives in the bedroom & stop pushing their views that their sex lives are OK.”
Face it missionaryway, Pete would still be commenting on homosexuality if every gay on the planet were still in the closet and nothing was ever said about it in the media. The guy’s obsessed with gays and homosexuality.
By the way, missionaryway, since you claim not to be Christian or even religious, I’d love to know where your “enlightened” knowledge and opinions of gays comes from.
Missionaryway is exactly correct, I’ll be damned if I suck on a 3 day old tuna smelling chick’s crotch and I ought to be able to tell everyone about that! These women running around acting like it’s more important for them to get off more than me and I’ll be damned if I have to hear about it every time I stand in the grocery line. It’s sexual harassment!
Oral sex should be reserved to a good blowjob when I walk in the house after work and the damn chicken pot pie better be in the oven so when I finish in a few seconds I can replenish myself.
I’m not fan of slippin it in the ass, but what is one supposed to do when her monthly visitor comes for a few days? Jerk off? I’m no homo!
Of course, I make her dig the cum out and put it in her pussy because every sperm is sacred.
Tolerance & diversity are euphemisms. What it’s really about is promoting the view that certain sexual behaviors are OK. But if H&L groups are going to use the workplace to discuss this, then it’s only fair that the views of those who believe that H&L should quit their sexual behaviors should also be given.
I’ve already said that even if attractions don’t change, it’s about changing their behavior to either straight normal sex or celibacy. Homo&lesbian sexual activities are medically bad, just as tobacco use is bad.
—-But if H&L groups are going to use the workplace to discuss this, then it’s only fair that the views of those who believe that H&L should quit their sexual behaviors should also be given.
What workplace discusses the sexual practices of gays and lesbians? Seriously–name them.
—it’s about changing their behavior to either straight normal sex or celibacy. Homo&lesbian sexual activities are medically bad, just as tobacco use is bad.
Errr….lesbians have lower rates of STDs than heterosexuals or gays. Heterosexual couples also partake in all of the same sexual practices as gay men. So it appears to be you have some sort of ick factor you just cannot get over.
Note the theme running through missionaryway and Petey’s posts. The kind of sex they like to have is “normal”. What other people like to do is perverted, nasty, and unhealthy.
Archpundit, the right word is VD. While lesbians may have lower rates of VD, they have higher rates of Bacterial Vaginosis & their death rates are higher for cervical cancer. Their ovarian & breast cancer rates are higher because women who don’t have kids are @ higher risks for it.
But I have already said that I’m against men & women performing oral sex. Even among most straights, sodomy is regarded as kinky. Many straights engage in oral sex, but even this is taboo. Keep in mind that there are nations where a man & his wife can go to jail for oral sex & sodomy & it used to be that way in the U.S.
I used to have a neutral view of H&L, but I’ve changed my views. There was a time when I saw 2 women going @ it in porno movies & I still have not understood why they put lesbian scenes in porn films. As you can see, my views on sex have changed over the years to where my belief now is that it’s either straight missionary sex (penis entering vagina) or no sex.
I don’t think that the workplace is the place to discuss any controversial topics, be it homosexuality, abortion, death penalty or gun control. The workplace is supposed to be neutral. I’m pro-choice, but I would be against pro-choice advocates using the workplace to promote the 1 sided view that abortion is OK. I believe that neither pro nor anti-homosexual topics should be discussed in the workplace. There have been cases where homosexuals have killed those who urged them to quit their behaviors. The Mary S. case in Chicago is 1 eg. Since you mention free speech, Dr. Kempling is an eg. of a person punished for comments he made about the harms of homosexuality outside work hours. Other cases have happened where people have been fired for comments they made regarding the harms of H&L activities outside work hours on TV shows.
You go to work to get the job done. Discussing homosexuality either pro or con has no place in the workplace. Now I would appreciate if you could think of something new to add to this. You & I are simply rehashing discussions that we’ve discussed many times before. I thank you for taking the time to reply, however what we are saying has been talked about so many times already.
Archpundit, the right word is VD. While lesbians may have lower rates of VD, they have higher rates of Bacterial Vaginosis & their death rates are higher for cervical cancer. Their ovarian & breast cancer rates are higher because women who don’t have kids are @ higher risks for it.
So what? bacterial vaginosis just isn’t a big deal. Part of the reason lesbians suffer disproportionately from cervical cancer is that they avoid health care because they are afraid of discrimination.
I don’t think that the workplace is the place to discuss any controversial topics, be it homosexuality, abortion, death penalty or gun control.
That would be great if people were robotic automotons, but they’re not. Human beings are social animals. Therefore, it’s inevitable that conversations like “So, what did you do over the weekend?” will come up. An answer like “My partner and our kid went to the zoo” shouldn’t get you fired.
Look, when I see someone flaunting their lifestyle by wearing a wedding ring or by discussing their family, my mind does not immediately flip to their bedroom sexual practices. For other people, however, it seems to. Being gay isn’t entirely about what you do with your naughty bits.
===Archpundit, the right word is VD
Only if you are an idiot. How is venereal disease a more accurate term?
===their death rates are higher for cervical cancer
Which is entirely different than being at higher risk for cervical cancer. The reason the death rate is estimated to be higher for lesbians is that they seek less medical care–which is not related to their sexual practices.
Breast cancer risks increase with any woman who doesn’t have birth by 30 which would include my wife who gave birth after 30. Again, you don’t understand what the hell you are saying.
Ovarian cancer risks are higher because lesbians don’t tend to take the pill which reduces the risk for pregnancy.
===Many straights engage in oral sex, but even this is taboo
And 90 percent of adults 25-44 participate in oral sex. That’s hardly taboo. 40 percent of men and 35 percent of women have had anal sex in the same age range with opposite sex partners. Given the breakdown of heterosexual versus homosexual, a lot more heterosexual folks are at risk for the same health issues as gay men and at higher rates.
The only time homosexuality is brought up in the workplace is to tell people not to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation–which happens to be the law in Illinois and thus, wise for an employer to bring up.
It’s hard to imagine how you could be more ignorant of sexuality, but the real problem is that you think you are qualified to tell people all about it.
Your #s are 2 high. Around 35 to 40% of straight couples engage in oral sex & about 10% engage in sodomy. Venereal Disease (VD)is the old word & I like the old words. Personally, I believe that people who engage in sodomy & oral sex should pay higher medical insurance rates, which includes H&L. I believe in abolishing sex change maimings, a wastage of science.
I did make 1 mistake-actually lesbians do have higher rates of VD. All sexual behaviors carry risks, but some behaviors carry more risks than others. Oral sex & sodomy are certainly worsened by promiscuity, but even w/o promiscuity there are risks.
While H&L don’t choose orientation, they do choose their sexual behavior. They have not been punished in the past because of orientation-but because of sexual behaviors. If H&L are celibate & never engage in or quit H&L activities, then people don’t care. People will say it’s “pretend” to ask a H&L to become celibate or engage in straight sex only. It’s H&L behaviors, sodomy & oral sex which are bad. Avoid these sexual behaviors & you reduce the risks.
If H&L are celibate & never engage in or quit H&L activities, then people don’t care.
Lifelong celibacy is always so much easier when it’s someone else’s life.
Avoid these sexual behaviors & you reduce the risks.
While your concern for the health of gays and lesbians is admirable, there are plenty of other ways of reducing risk. While becoming an agoraphobic shut-in is an excellent way of avoiding traffic accidents, I’ll just wear my seat belt instead, thanks.
Ah twisting the facts, a favourite past time for homosexual and liberals. Throwing in false claims like throwing towel in the boxing ring. A lot of quacker blogs written by homosexuals and the weird ass liberals.
There should be a ban on body mutilation, so called changing sex. Men and women disfiguring their bodies, in the act of self hatred. I do not know why the whacky transgenderists are allowed free reign in society.
What is it with you people, with the whole political correct routine? Calling everyone and everything bigotry and hateful.
More like societal death wish.
– Ok this is where I’ll start being sarcastic. –
They are crazy to think that they try to banish the mere idea of gender in the land of ghosts.
Homosexuals are easily offended in the mere idea of heterosexuals. I hate it when homosexual activists tell society what to do. You’re not supposed to turn kids into fluff.
The human body is never meant to go through physical abuse. In what homosexuals call gay lifestyle.
I do not want to hear any homosexual discussing his or her lifestyle in the public. And don’t try to act tough online. You’re acting like pack of dogs.
Striking out on what you perceive not normal and in a way of you having fun.
Bah, bullshit.
What gives you the right to turn kids into fluff?
Homosexuals are damn too sensitive. The rate of society going downhill well it wouldn’t be a surprise if heterosexuality would be declared as hate speech.
What is it with homosexuals attacking victims of homosexual predators? Its not free speech, it’s hate speech.
Laws are starting to become stranger and dumber than ever. Now tolerance is not good enough, homosexuals must be worshipped as gods among men. The hell matter with you people
Re: Homosexuals are easily offended in the mere idea of heterosexuals.
Naw. We’re just offended at the mere idea of heterosuperiority.
Re: I do not want to hear any homosexual discussing his or her lifestyle in the public.
Get a nice set of ear plugs!
Re: What gives you the right to turn kids into fluff?
I think you do a well enough job of that yourself (their brains that is). Only it’s not fluff, it’s shit!
Re: homosexuals must be worshipped as gods among men.
It depends on how buff they are. 😉
====Your #s are 2 high. Around 35 to 40% of straight couples engage in oral sex & about 10% engage in sodomy. Venereal Disease (VD)is the old word & I like the old words. Personally, I believe that people who engage in sodomy & oral sex should pay higher medical insurance rates, which includes H&L. I believe in abolishing sex change maimings, a wastage of science.
You couldn’t be more off if you tried–and apparently you did. NORC’s survey has put the number around 90 percent for males and females in the 25-45 age range and even if you look at other surveys you are talking 70-80 percent.
With anal sex it’s around 38 percent for men or with the lessor surveys around 25 percent for men, though the cohort ages account for most of this.
Because you want the numbers to be one way doesn’t make them that way. Because you are bizarrely uptight, doesn’t make the rest of the country uptight.
===I did make 1 mistake-actually lesbians do have higher rates of VD. All sexual behaviors carry risks, but some behaviors carry more risks than others. Oral sex & sodomy are certainly worsened by promiscuity, but even w/o promiscuity there are risks.
Wrong. It’s a silly statement, lesbians have far lower rates than heterosexuals.
Oral sex carries less risks than does vaginal sex. Making up claims doesn’t make them true. You truly live in a fantasy world.
Now, how exactly am I at risk with oral sex in a monogamous relationship with my wife? It’s a silly statement.
You are damn nearly incoherent on top of being ill informed. How exactly is oral sex bad? You keep stating it and it’s fine if you don’t enjoy it, but most people do. How is it bad? Your claims about disease are just wrong when it comes to oral sex.
===There should be a ban on body mutilation, so called changing sex. Men and women disfiguring their bodies, in the act of self hatred. I do not know why the whacky transgenderists are allowed free reign in society.
Even if you are correct, who are they hurting besides themselves?
There is a real question here about why you care. Now, of course, some people are in fact born with indeterminate gender. In other cases, if someone is more comfortable with their sexuality as the other gender, why is it a problem for you? Psychiatrists are quite comfortable with changing genders being more healthy for some individuals. Why do you think you know better?
What facts are being twisted, btw?
Arch,
It sounds to me Peter and Missionary Way may be the same person! LOL
Oral sex is taboo? Please, what year are they living in?
Just reading these people who “hear homosexuals talking about their lifestyle all the time” etc makes me think they’re either paranoid, or they live in some gay district (like Peter LaBarbera’s Americans For Truth is stationed nearby the the Chicago gay bath-house – on purpose).
Another observation about these guys is they can’t tell you a single fact on heterosexual sex, but they can talk you to death about gay sex, and give you a complete history (including graphic descriptions).
I feel sorry for LaBarbera’s children – growing up with a dad obsessed with gay sex, golden showers, and all that stuff. Expect a “tell all” book from one of them in a few years. It won’t be surprising if at least half of them turn out to be gay, because that’s all Peter talks about! LOL
Just reading these people who “hear homosexuals talking about their lifestyle all the time” etc makes me think they’re either paranoid, or they live in some gay district (like Peter LaBarbera’s Americans For Truth is stationed nearby the the Chicago gay bath-house – on purpose).
No. Porno Petey and Co are based out of Dupage Counter – the western burbs of Chicago. It’s evangelical central out that way.
The bath house that Pete always talks about/visits for ‘research’ (riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight) is called Steam Works. It’s located just a few blocks from Wrigley Field in Chicago’s boystown area. I actually walked past steam works on my way home from dinner last night. Surprisingly, I did not catch gay.
And from nowhere:
Men and women disfiguring their bodies, in the act of self hatred. I do not know why the whacky transgenderists are allowed free reign in society.
What is it with you people, with the whole political correct routine? Calling everyone and everything bigotry and hateful.
Go fuck yourself. “allowed free reign”? My fucking ass.
Given the astounding volume of prejudice against transgendered folks – even within the LGBT community – the last thing they need is some dick who thinks that watching Will And Grace will give you AIDS commenting about their supposed ‘free reign’ on society.
“Homosexuals are easily offended in the mere idea of heterosexuals. I hate it when homosexual activists tell society what to do. You’re not supposed to turn kids into fluff.”
What are you talking about? Homosexual activists are telling society what to do? Which society do you live in? All I see are homosexual men and women asking to have the same rights afforded to other people.
I just don’t get people who think that allowing two men to marry each other is somehow an assault on marriage. No one has ever, ever asked any of you to be gay, to engage in homosexual activity, or to stop loving your spouse. I don’t particularly care what your religion is, you have to learn to accept that some people don’t hold the same religious values as you.
I’ll leave you with this: Imagine if you were forced to marry someone you didn’t have any feelings for, and forced to consummate that marriage. Gay men were once forced, by society, to do exactly that. Now, imagine if you loved a person, so much that you were prepared to spend the rest of your life with them, and were told that you would not be granted a legal marriage to that person.
But I suppose that falls on deaf ears.
missionaryway
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Archpundit, your statements about oral sex & sodomy are utter rubbish. Many women don’t want to engage in oral sex because they think it’s kinky. Most women do not want to engage in sodomy, just as most women aren’t willing to engage in scat. I’ve read different #s on sodomy, but the #s of 10% or less is what is right.
With oral sex, there have been cases where marriages have ended because the husband wanted oral sex & the wife didn’t or the husband would have an affair with a woman who would give him oral sex. Oral sex to many are regarded as kinky & to almost all couples sodomy is regarded as kinky. That’s why it’s called kinky sex. Caleb Price has shown that VD is high among lesbians. Porn actresses come to mind. The argument that lesbians have safer sex lives is just rubbish. Lesbian activities are what’s medically harmful.
Just Dropping In, you said it well. Sex change maimings must be abolished. Scientists must find cures for GID, not mutilations. The hormone shots incr. the risk of cancers, something which sadly only gets minor coverage. If some1 has Racial Identity Disorder, it’s considered unethical for a surgeon to make their skin white. Abolish sex change maimings. Treat the mind, do not maim the body.
As you know, I mentioned that I’m not religious. I used to have a neutral view of homosexuality, but after years of thinking about it, I’ve come against homo&lesbian activities. Here are the reasons I came to my thinking.
Rather than neutrally discussing homosexuality, homosexual groups such as PFLAG are dishonest. Now there may be a gene to engage in H&L activities. But just because there’s a gene doesn’t make the behavior good.
As far as can homosexual rape esp. in youth cause a young boy to engage in homosexual activities in adulthood. While most victims of homosexual rape in youth don’t engage in homosexual activities in adulthood, the likelihood is increased because such an event is traumatic & can impact the mind in different ways, incl. sexually. I’ve seen interviews of homosexuals who believe that being a victim of homosexual rape in youth influenced their sexuality. If they had not been raped in their youths, would they have engaged in homosexual activities in adulthood? Now while most homosexual adults weren’t homosexually raped in their youths, what I’m saying is that to say that homosexual rape doesn’t impact some people’s sexuality is not understandable & it’s not honest. There are many different reasons why people engage in sexual activities, both social & biological.
Finally, let me end this by raising something most people won’t seriously consider-what if scientists did discover the 100% cures for homosexuality, GID & oral sex? I have no doubt that if they discovered the pill or shot to help some1 quit gay sex, then many gays would take this medicine to go straight. It would require the medical & psychological community to think about things that weren’t seriously thought of before, as discoveries can change the discussion. People who suffer from GID would take the shot to go straight. We would hear about the harms of sex change maimings such as the harms done by hormone shots which currently only get minor coverage.
No, I’m not Peter LaBarbera, nor have I met him. Peter LaBarbera doesn’t go to the sites, reporters from IFI & Americans for Truth do. As far as sex change maimings-they are animal cruelty. Animals were cruelly maimed & experimented on. Martina Navratilova recently protested experiments to make gay sheep straight as animal cruelty, yet Martina Navratilova has not protested sex change maimings, which were 1st done on animals. Sex change maimings are synonymous to bestiality & homosexuality.
Martina Navratilova has also given money to AIDS research, which involves lab experiments on animals. As far as AIDS, why do people empathize with homosexual AIDS victims? If some1 is going to have sex with many & not use condoms & they get AIDS or VD, then that’s the risk involved.
It’s noteworthy that when homo&lesbians who post here dislike what is written, they engage in personal attacks, saying F word this & that. They can’t refute the fact that homo&lesbian activities are medically harmful, so they resort to insulting those who point out the harms of their sexual activities.
Finally as far as teens, I believe that adults should have the right to forbid their kids from engaging in H&L activities. Minors are reqd. to get parental permission before they can play football, participate in boxing & martial arts or be on the school track team. In fact, minors are reqd. to get parental permission before they can even get their ears pierced. Minors can’t smoke. Parents forbidding minors from engaging in H&L activities is synonymous to parents forbidding minors to use tobacco.
That has got to be the single worst-argued post I’ve ever seen. I can’t even keep track of the number of logical fallicies.
Marriages have ended over oral sex? Probably very few, but even so, it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Marriages have ended over oral sex, regular sex, money, children, and probably even bad cooking. (I find it interesting that the only oral sex you seem to think exists is woman-on-man sex.)
Not all lesbians are porn actresses. In fact, I bet very few are.
Your tangent on rape makes absolutely no sense at all. It’s barely coherent. I’m sure rape screws many people up mentally and emotionally, and causes them to act out with behaviors they wouldn’t normally do. I’m sure some of them become alcoholics. That doesn’t mean we should jump to prohibition.
I can’t go on, it’s too frustrating. The fact that you use terminology that no one else uses suggests you’re more interested in labeling people, demonizing them, and flaunting your moral superiority than actually having a discussion about anything.
So here’s a thought: don’t like “H&L” sex? Don’t have it. Don’t want a blow job? Don’t get one. Stop trying to tell other people how to live their lives.
===Sex change maimings are synonymous to bestiality & homosexuality.
Given homosexuality isn’t synonymous with bestiality this sentence is utterly without meaning.
===Archpundit, your statements about oral sex & sodomy are utter rubbish. Many women don’t want to engage in oral sex because they think it’s kinky. Most women do not want to engage in sodomy, just as most women aren’t willing to engage in scat. I’ve read different #s on sodomy, but the #s of 10% or less is what is right.
Because you say so? You have better numbers than the NORC survey? Impressive.
Many women don’t want to engage in oral sex because they think it’s kinky? Uh…no. Pick up any women’s magazine and read the articles on giving a good blow job or how to get your man to perform cunnilingus. That’s right! Men perform oral sex on women too! And it’s common!
Scat=anal sex. You are a little unhinged aren’t you?
===Peter LaBarbera doesn’t go to the sites
You are not well informed:
http://www.illinoisfamily.org/informed/contentview.asp?c=16235
After reading the superficial interview by the Red Eye’s Chris LaMorte (reprinted in full below), I decided to go down to Chicago on Memorial Day, the last day of IML, to gather evidence on this twisted event.
As you can imagine, this idea didn’t go over too well with my wife. Anyway, I arrived at the Hyatt Regency, and made my way down to where the IML vendors were set up in a vast “Leather Market,” which was open to the public and mentioned in the Tribune’s Red Eye story.
I paid my two-dollar entrance fee and passed by a femmy “leather” guy who was happily greeting visitors with the line, “Welcome to the WalMart of porn!” At the vendors’ area, I found booth upon booth–there were over a hundred–selling whips, handcuffs, electric “torture” devices, leather “hoods,” etc., a veritable cornucopia for the deviant. The man was right: there was also tons of the most disgusting pornography imaginable for sale at reduced prices, right there are at the glitzy Hyatt Regency!
Leathermen embrace behaviors at the fringe of the sexual fringe. One San Francisco outfit’s booth sold only porn videos depicting “barebacking–“gay” slang for condomless sodomy. Other booths sold sadistic hard-core porn too gross to describe here (and this was just at the vendor’s market!).
As it says in Bible, “they invent ways of doing evil.” (Romans 1:30)
I think this is also a very good demonstration of the fact that people like Petey and missionaryway consider gays to be deviant and evil by their very nature. The focus on the fetish aspect of things is simply a way to increase the ick factor. If there was no IML, Petey would be picketing lesbian commitment ceremonies or something.
Re: “Finally as far as teens, I believe that adults should have the right to forbid their kids from engaging in H&L activities.”
You’re kidding, right Missionaryway?
What kid goes to their parents to get permission to do anything sexual; whether it be a hetero- or homo-sexual activity?
Missionaryway, did you ask your parents permission before you did anything sexual? Come to think of it, you probably did and most likely still do!
Keep ’em coming Missionaryway. Just when I thought I’d heard everything, you post something else that’s totally off the wall and it makes me double up laughing!
Sex change maimings are synonymous to bestiality & thus worse than homosexuality-that is what I meant to say. To say otherwise is not understandable.
Some homosexuals have themselves said that they believe that being homosexually raped in their youths influence adult homosexual behavior. It doesn’t take an expert to understand that being raped in 1s youth can mess up the mind in many ways incl. sexual. Bedwetting & drug use are higher among those who were raped in their youth. It’s not surprising that some youths go on to engage in homo activities in adulthood because of how it impacted them. While most people who are homosexually raped in youth don’t engage in homosexual behaviors in adulthood, the likelihood is greater that they will.
It’s synonymous to if a child lives in a high crime neighborhood & sees muggings. While most kids who live in high crime neighborhoods & sees street crimes, don’t become muggers, witnessing such events incr. the likelihood that they will.
What Archpundit reran about oral sex & sodomy is not understandable. Most women do regard sodomy as kinky & there are many women who regard oral sex as unhygenic. You can quote the NORC survey, but there are other surveys you can find on the Internet which show differently. I’ve read 30%, 40%, 70% & 90% figures for oral sex, but the 40% figures are right. Sodomy & oral sex didn’t get the reputation of being called kinky sex if most people engaged in them. Also, why would states up until even the 1990s (2003 Supreme Court ruling overturned it) have laws against oral sex & sodomy if most people engaged in them ? Oral sex may be linked to an incr. in prostate cancer, though inconclusive. Homos do have higher incidence of certain cancers.
H&L even in socieities tolerant of H&L activities have higher rates of suicides, drug problems, etc., so the rerun it’s because of society’s intolerance is not true. Society must treat H&L activities, sodomy & oral sex the same way it treats tobacco use-help people quit them. Michael Glatze who is a recovered homosexual profiled on Americans For Truth, used to be a homosexual activist. Michael Glatze spoke of the fact that homo&lesbian activities are what is medically harmful. He got angry replies from H&L who hated the fact that he wrote about the harms of those sexual activities.
Good God in Heaven. i go off and have a labour day weekend and this conversation has just gotten crazy.
“Homo&lesbian sexual activities are medically bad, just as tobacco use is bad.”
want to know what’s even worse, Missionary-whatever?
Smoking cock. doubly dangerous. anyway.
so, to all the normal folks:
(and when i use the word normal, i’m not referring to antiquated ill-informed mores imposed by theocratic fuckbags…i’m using it more in the sense of, you know, “not fundamentalists.”)
i read a great quote this weekend that says a lot about the people with whom we’re arguing, and further explains why they just might not be worth the breath/finger-strokes we exert in trying to knock sense into them. (i mean, these, by in large, are the same folks who are proud members of the “26 percent and falling” club who still support George’s war. kind of the lowest common denominator.)
it’s from George Orwell:
“We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.”
— George Orwell, “In Front of Your Nose.” 1946
or bumps up against a cop in a public restroom.
or, in some peoples’ cases, the SteamWorks bathhouse?
eh?
anyway, i thought it was poignant.
Evan,
I didn’t even fully read it because you wrote profanities such as the f word, & I guessed it’s just ad homenims when you can’t refute.
It’s apparent that continuing this topic won’t raise any new ideas. You still haven’t been able to think seriously about what if science discovered the 100% cures for H&L, sodomy, oral sex & GID? The world will be a better place if the found the 100% cures. Yes, I know that what I wrote is telling others how to live their lives.
Let me also say is that over the years, I’ve written about many topics, but this is the topic where I’ve gotten the most # of hostile replies, because H&L hate others pointing out the medical harms of their sexual behaviors. Finally, there are 42 year old virgins. I know people who are 42 year old virgins. There are some people who never have sex in their life.
I’m amused at the notion that the University of Chicago’s survey shop is wrong because someone says so, not because of any critique of their survey. At that point, one becomes pointless in debating anything with because they cannot hold a discussion other than through unsupported assertion.
==because H&L hate others pointing out the medical harms of their sexual behaviors.
And again, you haven’t pointed out that those practices are all that different from heterosexuals nor have you demonstrated that any lesbian practices are particularly dangerous.
==Finally, there are 42 year old virgins. I know people who are 42 year old virgins. There are some people who never have sex in their life.
This thread has made that abundantly clear.
You still haven’t been able to think seriously about what if science discovered the 100% cures for H&L, sodomy, oral sex & GID?
Your argument is simply ludicrous. First of all, being gay isn’t a disease to be cured any more than being Protestant is a disease.
And a “cure” for “sodomy and oral sex” is nonsensical. Having sex is an activity, not a condition. You might as well argue about discovering a cure for dancing.
Archpundit & Narc:
Michael Glatze who is a recovered homosexual has talked about the harms of homo&lesbian activities. With lesbian activities, you don’t have to be an expert to understand that putting fingers or tongue deep into a woman’s vagina can tear blood vessels & having a woman’s hairs in the mouth is bad for it. Lesbians have higher incidence of BV & cervical cancer-caused by their sexual activities. Sodomy involves contact with blood. Most straights contrary to Archpundits reruns don’t engage in the same activities as H&L do & simply limit their sexual activities to normal sex-penis entering vagina.
Narc, you keep saying the word gay-when as noted, it’s homosexual activities which are medically bad . As far as Michael Glatze, even if his sexual orientation didn’t change, if he permanently quits homo activities & becomes a lifelong celibate or engages in only straight normal sex, then it’s a success. Dr. Robert Spitzer in 2001 said that in a small # of cases, H&L have been able to change orientation after a long journey. Perhaps Michael Glatze finally changed his orientation after a long journey, but it’s about ending H&L activities. Predictably people will talk about relapses, but there are also relapses for other harmful activities such as smoking, but we do what we can to help people quit smoking.
Michael Glatze said that after years of thinking about it, he concluded that H&L activities are what is harmful & what he thinks is sad is the blind faith which apologists for H&L activities make. Michael Glatze used to be an apologist for H&L activities, but has come to the conclusion that those sexual behaviors are medically bad. I realize that apologists for H&L activities hate what Michael Glatze says. He angers them because he talks about the harms caused by H&L activities which the press only covers occassionally.
I know you’ll say that it’s telling other people how to live their sex lives, but it is for the better.
===ervical cancer-caused by their sexual activities.
False as has been pointed out already. Lesbians have higher rates of death from cervical cancer because they seek health care less often. Their rates of HPV are lower.
How is Michael Glatze relevant to a medical debate?
He’s a writer not a doctor. Again, you don’t’ seem to have any rational way of arguing your points, but throw out names that are not experts.
First of all, “homosexual activities” are not “medically bad.” You can have all the “H&L” sex you want with a healthy partner with zero risk to you.
I don’t know about Glatze specifically, but most ex-gays seem to be basically self-loathing fundamentalist Christians. They have a conflict of interest in truthfully reporting changes in their orientation. Remember John Paulk?
I know you’ll say that it’s telling other people how to live their sex lives, but it is for the better.
Oh, well how inconsiderate of everyone else not to live their lives according to what you think as best.
To continue on what AP said above, remember the only reason cervical cancer is no longer one of the main causes of death in women is that, if caught early pre-cancerous lesions can be treated. If you don’t get that early treatment (say, because you avoid your doctor because he is a moralizing busybody and likes to lecture you on “H&L sex”) you are more susceptible to the cancer.
I won’t waste time debating the fact that H&L activities are medically harmful just as I won’t waste time debating that tobacco use is harmful. Promiscuity only incr. the already existing harms-sodomy & oral sex which involve contact with blood, hairs & even women’s scat (if it’s man performing sodomy on a woman) carries risks. Homos have higher rates of dying from certain cancers. Lesbians have higher rates of cervical cancer, but all the reasons aren’t quite known. New research has shown that lesbians have = or higher rates of HPV & VD, thus contradicting the earlier beliefs that it’s lower. It’s also noteworthy that people who engage in H&L activities have higher incidence of depression & drug use & to say it’s because of society’s intolerance is insufficient, because even in tolerant societies, the #s are not that much different.
Yes, Michael Glatze has become a Christian. But he says that the reason he quit homo activities is because he saw 1st hand the harms that H&L suffer-both medical & emotional. He asked himself-what is it about homo & lesbian sexual activities that so many use blind faith to defend, including himself? He blindly defended H&L activities for years, but he had an epiphany. He is right in arguing that homos & lesbians really need to quit their sexual behaviors.
Obviously those who see nothing wrong with H&L activities like Archpundit & Narc will hate what Michael Glatze says. Michael Glatze has indicated that he regularly gets angry correspondence from H&L. What Michael Glatze says is credible because he is a recovered homosexual. He knows 1st hand the harms of homo activities (recovered lesbians can tell the harm of lesbian activities).
Michael Glatze once worked on behalf of Matthew Shepard foundation as late as 2005. Since Michael Glatze once blindly defended H&L activities, he used to say what Narc & Archpundit say on this message boards. The fact remains that Michael Glatze came to realize the harms of H&L activities because he seriously thought of this. He believes it’s best to prevent H&L activities or help people quit if they’ve started.
It must also be noted that even lesbian TV commentator Tammy Bruce of FOX News has been critical of homosexual groups like GLSEN & she has even defended the right of the Boy Scouts to not accept people who engage in H&L activities.
Tammy Bruce believes that H&L should keep their sex lives in the bedroom & should not force others to hear 1 sided views that H&L activities are OK.
===I won’t waste time debating the fact that H&L activities are medically harmful just as I won’t waste time debating that tobacco use is harmful.
One is demonstrated by science, the other is not. So if you don’t want to waste time debating, it’s questionably as to why.
===. New research has shown that lesbians have = or higher rates of HPV & VD, thus contradicting the earlier beliefs that it’s lower.
Cite the research. Or drop the claim
You are not actually responding to anything that is said besides asserting you are correct.
And what relevance are the Boy Scouts?
Not to continue endlessly, but here’s a contradiction. Archpundit talked about lesbians having higher cervical cancer rates, but lower HPV (Pappiloma virus) rates. The main cause of cervical cancer is HPV (Pappiloma virus). There are many types of Pappiloma Viruses. Certain Venereal Disease (VD) have preceded cervical cancer. While there are other causes of cervical cancer, given the fact that HPV is the main cause(s), it can be concluded that lesbians have higher incidence of Pappiloma (HPV) & VD.
Yes Michael Glatze credits Christianity for becoming a recovered homosexual, but spiritual peace is beneficial. Nikki Sixx, formerly of Motley Crue who had drug problems when he was with the band, has credited spiritual faith with helping him, though he isn’t a born again Christian. Recovered alcoholics will often thank faith for helping them to stop being drunkards or drunks. There is nothing wrong with turning to religion if it gives you spiritual peace of mind & helps you to overcome inner demons & defeat harmful behaviors.
Michael Glatze for years (1998-2005)edited & was the cofounder of a gay magazine called YGA. He says that after having an epiphany after seriously thinking about it, he quit homo activities & he regrets the years he used blind faith to defend H&L activities as the editor of YGA. He now says that homosexuality is lust & he has decried those who attack reparative therapy. Dr. Robert Spitzer as noted used to believe that h&l could only change behavior & not orientation, but after interviewing recovered homosexuals for 2 years, concluded in 2001 that some homosexuals can change orientation.
Perhaps r.t. has advanced, given that science in 2001 is more advanced than it was in 1973. Dr. Spitzer has said that reparative therapy must be available for those who want to quit h&l & he says that for psychologists to not offer it is hubris or arrogance by experts who think that they know the answers on a topic which they are aware so little is known. Michael Glatze seriously thought about this & concluded homosexuality is harmful, which is why he changed. Many H&L have not been interested in having a dialogue with Michael Glatze, but rerun the same things we’ve heard so many times already.
===on. Archpundit talked about lesbians having higher cervical cancer rates, but lower HPV (Pappiloma virus) rates.
No, they die from cervical cancer at higher rates than others. It’s not hard to understand except for the willfully ignorant as yourself. Cite your claims from now on–your continued assertions with no evidence are tiresome.
…concluded that lesbians have higher incidence of Pappiloma (HPV)…
Roughly 80% of women contract HPV at some point in their lives. It would be hard for lesbians to have a significantly higher incidence than that.
The reason cervical cancer is no longer one of the leading causes of death for women is that it can be caught early and treated before it becomes full-fledged cancer. In the third-world it is still often one of the top five cancers and causes of death.
You can shout “harmful behavior” as much as you want, but that’s not going to make it true. Yes there are some STD that are sadly more common among gay men. But saying that that makes gay sex somehow more inherently harmful is like saying the fact that women still die in childbirth means straight sex is harmful.
Narc:
Once again the right word is VENEREAL DISEASE (VD). Some of the new words that they put in the vocabulary are crap & I like the word VD better. The plural for VD is VD, so it’s easier to say. Michael Glatze could say more about the harms of lesbian activities & he used to say the same blind faith that you’ve said about H&L. OK, you called him a self-loathing Christian. But you can find many others who say that religion saved them from destruction. Boxer Mohammed Ali credits Islam for helping him, after he changed his name from Cassius Clay to Ali & daredevil Evel Knievel says that his life has become better after he became a born again Christian on Rev. Robert Schueller’s show.
But since this is about Michael Glatze, the fact remains that Michael Glatze’s information as a recovered homosexual is 1st hand knowledge. He has seen the harms caused by H&L + the added problems of drugs, depression & suicides. For years, he would blame it on homphobia, but he has come to realize that societal’s attitudes towards homosexuality don’t have that much impact. H&L have more money, because people who don’t have kids are usu. wealthier. But even with this, they have problems.
People often rehash that lesbians higher rates of death from Cervical Cancer is because of medical profession bias, but this is rubbish. There’s so much about cervical cancer which is unknown. The news that I found on VD rates being higher among lesbians than previously believed is what I found on the Internet.
Michael Glatze is saying what he knows to be true regarding the harms of H&L. Homos & lesbian groups hate what he says because he exposes the blind faith that he was perpetuating for years & which you seek to push. Hearing H&L decry Michael Glatze for pointing the harms of H&L is synonymous to hearing narc addicts (NARC:)bash recovered junkies.
Of course you like the term VD better. It makes you feel morally superior, and that’s why you use it. It’s less accurate than the terms in use today. We no longer call tuberculosis “consumption”, syphilis the “French disease”, or African Americans “colored people.”
That lesbians receive less health care than straight women is undeniable. The drastic reduction in cervical cancer deaths in the past few decades is entirely due to the ability to catch it in the pre-cancerous stage or before it has become invasive. Fewer Pap smears = more cervical cancer deaths.
“Routine Pap smear screening is probably performed less frequently among many lesbians than national guidelines suggest. Despite high levels of education and income, women with no prior sex with men were less likely to have ever received a pelvic examination, received their first Pap smear at an older age, and had less frequent Pap smears than women who had prior sex with men.”
— J Thierry et al. “Barriers to Infectious Disease Prevention among Women” cdc.gov
“Lesbians are now more comfortable “coming out” to providers but continue to have lower screening rates than other women. Risk is especially high in this population for cancer, heart disease, depression, and alcohol abuse.”
–S. Roberts “Health Care Recommendations for Lesbian Women” Journal of Obstetric, Gynecologic, & Neonatal Nursing
“…many lesbians undergo routine Pap smear screening less frequently than national guidelines advise.”
–J. Marrazzo “Barriers to Infectious Disease Care among Lesbians” cdc.gov
You can rant as much as you want about the dangers of “H&L” sex, but that doesn’t make it true. One thing the ex-gay groups never mention about Michael Glatze is that he’s Mormon. Not surprisingly, Mormons take an ill view of gays. So Glatze has an incentive to mis-report his own orientation. The reason Glazte is so prevalent among the ex-gay press right now is that their previous poster boys gave up trying to deny their sexuality or got caught trying to live a double life.
One thing you will never see is these ex-gay groups giving statistics about how many ex-gays there are or their “success” rates.
The fact is that none of the things you cite as dangers of “H&L”, like promiscuity and drug use, have anything to do with being gay, per se. Oh, and by the way, the common impression that gays and lesbians have higher incomes because they have no kids is likely an urban legend and is driven by the misuse of advertising statistics. (http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/income_inflation)
African American women are twenty-three times more likely than white women to be HIV positive. Yet you don’t complain about the dangers of “B&W” sex. African Americans make up half of all the HIV cases in the US. But I don’t see anyone calling for the banning of interracial marriages, even those they must be high-risk. I wonder why?
Missionary dude, since you’re obviously not a typical straight dude, i really don’t see your basis for concluding that most hetero couples only have sex your boring way.
i have lots of straight friends, and they have crazy fun sex, from what i hear.
oh, and you surely do mention “scat” a lot, my good sir.
good god, um, why?
unless you’re talking about screwing with Ella Fitzgerald playing in the background, in which case, i’ve had my share of scat in the bedroom.
*grin*
oh, and Narc, Glatze is totally popular right now because he hasn’t started fucking men again.
yet.
that we know of.
they all do. i went through a phase where i only dated ex-gay men. not by choice. i think a bunch of them just “graduated” at the same time or something.
(i live in the wonderful land of “Love In Action.”)
Actually, they still use the word consumption in addition to T.B. It’s predictable you raised failures. People who try to quit drugs or smoking sometimes have relapses, but most don’t critique tobacco cessation programs because of failures. The fact that some homos & lesbians relapse is not surprising, but that doesn’t change the fact that we must help people quit H&L or prevent it.
NARC maybe a lesbian which may explain her blind faith, where she said there’s nothing wrong with Bacterial Vaginosis & yeast infections which are higher among lesbians. As noted, putting fingers deep into a woman’s vagina does harm it. Lesbians also are into scat & coming into contact with poo is not healthy-deadly bacteria. Lesbians need to quit lesbian sex if they want to avoid or reduce cases of BV, Yeast Infections & cervical cancer. NARC can’t rant all she wants about H&L activities being safe, but that doesn’t make it true.
Also I’m a critic of breast & cervical cancer screening. Why? Because mammograms & Pap Smears from the X-Ray radiation can be carcinogenic though it has to be in high quantities. I once talked to a woman who said that she won’t take mammograms, because of the fear that the Mammogram radiation causing breast cancer. Pap smears carry same risks. So yes, the same instruments which are about screening breast & cervical cancers-may actually cause them due to the carcinogens. The same is true for prostate cancer screening & homos have higher incidence of prostate cancer & there has been a possible link found between men who have sex with many & prostate cancer.
As far as Michael Glatze becoming a Mormon-so what? He credits that with helping him become a recovered homosexual. Whether or not recovered h&L sexual orientation changes, if they permanently quit H&L activities, then it is successful. While I’m not Mormon, the fact that Mormonism is against H&L activities is synonymous to Mormonism being against tobacco use & smoking. Mormons often speak other languages such as Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Spanish, German, French, etc. If Mormonism brings spiritual fulfillment to Michael Glatze’s life, then it’s for the better.
Obviously for Michael Glatze to have realized his earlier blind faith defense of homosexuality to be wrong, he would have had to seriously think about it. Michael Glatze use to attack religious groups, rerunning that they’re bigots, but for him to do a turnaround, he had to have evaluated in order to conclude his earlier conclusions were wrong.
thing that I’ve heard before. Mammograms & Pap Smears may in some cases, cause the very cancers that they screen for due to radiation, though they say it has to be in high quantities. What I know about H&L is that if they avoid H&L activities, they reduce the risks. If homosexual AIDS & VD victims had been celibate, then they wouldn’t have gotten them.
If childbirth didn’t happen, there wouldn’t be any1 left, so the risks of childbirth are worth it. There’s nothing wrong with Michael Glatze becoming a Mormon. Michael Glatze is not seeking to censor his opponents. As I understand, he has debated other H&L about the harms of H&L activities. H&L groups don’t respect free speech when it points out the harms of H&L, which is why they seek to censor Peter LaBarbera, such as the Holiday Inn mess, where sadly, Holiday Inn cave in to what is politically safe. If H&L groups seriously care about honestly discussing homosexuality, then they will debate those who see something wrong with certain sexual behaviors, even if they dislike the message.
Sorry for the 3d consec. post, but you can find this on the Internet, click CDC Reports that Annual Pap Smears May do Harm
Yeah, what is it with anti-gay people and their fixation with scat? I’ve known a few gay people in my time and never met anyone that’s done it. It’s pretty clearly just the most extreme thing they can think of and they try to play it up to maximize the ick factor.
I once talked to a woman who said that she won’t take mammograms, because of the fear that the Mammogram radiation causing breast cancer.
Yes, people are often irrationally afraid of things, even to their own detriment. This is especially true of things that people have little understanding of and familiarity with, like radiation. No one ever said that the x-ray dose from a mammogram is harmless, but the question is whether the tradeoff between a small x-ray dose vs. an undetected cancer tumor is work the risk. I assume then she also doesn’t fly in airplanes because of the radiation dose from that?
Pap smears carry same risks.
Um, no they don’t. Pap smears don’t involve x-rays or radiation. Did you not even read your own citation? The CDC report you cited was looking at whether women should get Pap smears at 1, 2 or 3 year intervals. The question becomes whether indeterminate results lead to additional testing which can cause anxiety. The Pap smears themselves were harmless. Again, the study did not say that women should not get Pap smears and the CDC article did not say that Pap smears do more harm than good.
ArchPundit has asked you to start backing up your wild statements with some facts. You continue to refuse saying that you basically read somewhere on the internet that gay men are more susceptible to prostate cancer. I can’t find anything to back that up, except for the possibility that gay men receive less health care and are less likely to catch the disease in the early stages.
None of the dire consequences that missionaryway has suggested come from “H&L” sex have anything to do with sex. They usually have to do with a higher incidence of STDs in the gay population. But again, this has nothing to do with gay sex, just the presence of an infection.
Jews have higher incidences of certain diseases and forms of cancer. Heck, one of the big reasons we even discovered AIDS was because non-Jews were coming down with Kaposi’s sarcoma. So why not call for Jews to be celibate, too?
ONce again, VD is the easier & right word-fewer letters. The newer words have too many letters & are menial & crappy. VD is easier to understand. You can find lesbian scat sites on the Internet.
While it’s unknown if sodomy causes prostate cancer, sodomy has been shown to cause piles, bleeding & an incr. risk of anal cancer. 1 need not be an expert to understand that contact with blood, which happens in sodomy is risky. Promiscuity only incr. risks, but sodomy carries harms in & of itself. With lesbianism, it has been proven that lesbians fingering eachother deep cut vaginal lining-nails cut it & when nails cut vaginal blood vessels, bleeding happens. With oral sex, getting hairs in the mouth carries medical risks. Of course, if a man & a woman engage in the same activities H&L do-sodomy & oral sex, they’ll face the same risks.
Charlene Cothran is a recovered lesbian who used to edit a magazine blindly defending H&L activities as Michael Glatze did. Everything NARC has written, they used to say, but they say that they now have understood that H&L activities are harmful & that it must be prevented. They used to give the easy answer of screening as NARC has done. Lesbians have higher incidence of obesity, in addition to higher cases of drug use.
What Charlene Cothran & Michael Glatze say as recovered H&L is more credible than what apologists like NARC say, because they as noted used to say the same things for years, but after thinking about it for a long time & researching the harms of H&L activities, they have come to understand the harms of it. The fact that Charlene Cothran & Michael Glatze changed their views 100% on H&L from pro-h&L to now writing about the harms of H&L proves that they finally came to understand the harms. H&L groups have ulterior motives, which is why they hate what Charlene Cothran & MIchael Glatze say.
why are you searching for gay/lesbian porn sites on the internet?
oh wait. got it. took me a second. same reason Peter does.
um.
yeah.
if you’d ever looked at straight porn in your life, you’d probably know that you can find crazy weird straight sites, as well.
what Charlene’n’Michael do is their own business.
maybe they can get married like John Paulk and that ghastly beast he was on the cover of Time with.
and then Michael can get caught with his pants down. like John Paulk did.
actual science does suggest these days that women have a bit more leeway with sexuality than we previously understood, which explains why many women consider themselves bisexual, and why many otherwise straight women find themselves attracted to women at some point in their lives. whatever. to each her own.
of course, Charlene’s been brainwashed by the BS of right-wing christians. you can also factor in the HORRIBLE homophobia in the African-American community.
so, whatever. like i said, i really don’t care.
we should set up some sort of contest, we gays (you know, at our monthly meeting)…you know, whichever guy is the first to sleep with Michael Glatze post-self-hating-craziness wins like, i dunno, dinner for two at Chili’s or something.
Evan,
I’ve never understood why they show lesbian scenes in porn movies. Why do they show it in Penthouse magazine? Since you asked why I visited porn sites- I like looking @ naked women & they show lesbian scat scenes. Given that most women who star in porn movies engage in lesbian sex, it proves that lesbians (behaviorally speaking) are into porn & scat. I’ve already stated that my views of lesbianism have changed & I think now that the only acceptable sexual activity is straight orthodox or missionary activity-penis entering vagina. You keep discussing orientation/attraction when as noted, it’s about ending H&L activities regardless of attraction change. When we talk about ending drunkard behavior, we mean ending the behavior, even if the alcoholics attractions don’t change.
As far as Charlene Cothran being brainwashed. Of course H&L apologists like you will say such things. You keep saying Christianity, as though that’s the sole reason she changed. OK, Christianity plays a large part, but there are other factors too. Charlene Cothran resarched the harms of H&L activities, which were noted earlier. By carefully evaluating these things, she came to the decision that such behaviors are harmful. She did not have an epiphany overnight & neither did Michael Glatze. She certainly uses Christianity to justify her thinking, but Christianity is just part of it.
You rehashed religion as though it’s a bad thing, when as noted, junkies & alcoholics (drunkards) credit religion for helping them & they believe that if it hadn’t been for Judeo-Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism (though there are far fewer Hindus & Buddhists in America) they would be dead or in jail. OK, psychologists & Drs. can have pro-religious biases, but if they come up with cures or beneficial treatments, then so what ? Atheists will sometimes turn to religious psychologists & hosptials for help if they believe they’ll get better help. Some of the best hospitals & schools are the Catholic hospitals & schools.
As to Michael Glatze, though I’m not a reparative therapist, it can be concluded that r.t. in 2007 is certainly going to be more advanced than it was in 1967. The main reason that Dr. Spitzer concluded in 2001 that he now believes some H&L can change their orientation because reparative therapy has advanced. Perhaps the reparative therapists who treated Michael Glatze have discovered something new which was previously unknown. Dr. Spitzer did say that the # was small & that it was after a long journey, but that change is possible for motivated individuals.
But it’s apparent that continuing this discussion won’t raise anything new. Charlene Cothran knows what you’ll say, because she used to say the same things & has thought about the things you’ve said. H&L activities,GID (which is worse than H&L), sodomy & oral sex are not virtues. They don’t cause procreation.
Not to continue, but Evan-I visited STRAIGHT porn sites-so they call it-but the have lesbian scenes. Straight porn sites should be called lesbian sites, because they have lesbian sex. I hope this clarifies. Also most women don’t engage in lesbian sex, though the # has gone up, which may explain why Bacterial Vaginosis & cervical cancer have gone up among women-lesbian sexual activities.
MW…
do you not understand that porn actresses are not actually lesbians?
i thought…everybody…understood that. they perform those scenes because straight men, as a general rule, get off on watching women have sex with each other. so therefore, the fact that you’ve found woman having sex with each other in straight porn, and that you’ve found elements of really weird fetish-y stuff in said STRAIGHT PORN, marketed to the STRAIGHT MALE COMMUNITY, you have not proven anything, except that there’s all kinds of crazy porn out there. and no, the lesbian scenes in straight porn shouldn’t be repackaged as “lesbian porn,” because, again, those aren’t lesbians; they’re porn actresses going down on each other because straight men like it.
you’d agree, i assume, that straight pornography isn’t exactly an accurate representation, by and large, of the straight community’s collective sexual practices?
i win.
most people who (temporarily) run back into the closet do it based on shame that’s been hammered into them by religion. i’ve known these people personally. one-hundred percent of the people i’ve known who have been involved in these kinds of “reparative therapies” and whatnot, have been sucked in by religious fanaticism.
as to religion, i’m not anti-religion. i’m against people using religion for their own ideological purposes in order to influence others’ lives. when you refer to “beneficial treatments,” it’s helpful to remember that virtually all medical, psychiatric, and psychological organizations condemn “reparative therapies” as harmful and bad medicine. as to doctors, it’s great that Catholics support good medicine. so do Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and whoever else. but the fact is that the physicians working in those institutions do not necessarily hold the beliefs of the religion posted on the side of the building. holy hell, most of the medical experiences i’ve had have been in “Baptist” hospitals. imagine if Baptists were actually overseeing the medical procedures! no, we’ll leave that to the doctors, regardless of their religious persuasions. medicine is based on science, not religion. (unless you’re a christian scientist.) so…what’s the point you were trying to make, exactly?
i see, though, that you’ve mentioned that since oral/anal sex don’t result in procreation, that they’re necessarily bad.
ew. that’s so anti-common sense it’s nuts. if sex was merely for procreation, it wouldn’t feel so good. 🙂
and here’s a little opinion of mine i’m sure you’ll find mighty nasty: i think once a heterosexual couple has had one biological child, you know, gotten that out of their system, that they’re merely being selfish by creating more while millions of children around the world are unwanted and starving. and by the way, there are lots of couples, straight AND gay, who have no desire to have children. are you honestly saying that they shouldn’t have sex? personally, i have no desire to have children. due to the fact that i’m gay, there can be no accidents, so thank God for that. but, if i and my future husband, whoever he may be, were to suddenly want children one day, we would be one of the couples lining up to take on children that “nobody else wants.” that’s God’s work, my friend.
the fact that you’ve found woman having sex with each other in straight porn, and that you’ve found elements of really weird fetish-y stuff in said STRAIGHT PORN, marketed to the STRAIGHT MALE COMMUNITY, you have not proven anything..
Actually, he has. He’s proven that straight men are really into scat.
Evan thought alot about what he wrote, but to address his points.
If a woman has sex with another woman, then yes, she is a lesbian BEHAVIORALLY speaking. I don’t use the orientation definition, but behavior definition-men fully knowing & willfullly having sex with men & women fully knowing & willfully having sex with women. But porn actresses themselves have said that many get more pleasure having sex with women than men. So yes, given the fact that porn actresses are fully knowing & willfully having sex with other women, they are lesbians, even if that is not their true orientation. If anything, porn actresses are more lesbian than straight. Nina Hartly a porn actress has called herself a heterosexual dyke & she says she likes having sex with women more than men. If a man rapes women, we define him as a rapist by his behavior, even if he doesn’t have the orientation to be a rapist.
As to r.t., the AMA (American Medical Association) & APA, they pander to what is politically safe. The AMA is bad because among other things, the AMA is against boxing & I’m pro-boxing. Yes, boxing carries risks which boxers already know & if 2 people have the guts to get in the ring & fight, then let them do so. The AMA in the sponsored the Tuskegee experiment in the 1930s & 40s, where Black men who suffered from syphilis were lied to & told that they would be cured when all that happened was observation on how VD harms black people. The AMA also is against compensating victims of medical negligence. Now while some changes are needed to the tort system, the AMA are arrogant turds as they are against compensating victims. Each tort case has to be judged by its own facts. The AMA is an arrogation association of Drs. who think they know the answers.
But as this is about reparative therapy, it must be noted that @ 1 time, r.t. was the norm, but esp. since the Simon LeVay report of 1991-92, psychologists have abandoned r.t. But as noted, r.t. for other maladies such as drugs have high recidivism rates. The egs. that Evan gave can also be found amongst junkies who have been unable to quit drugs, because they weren’t helped by r.t., but we don’t abandon r.t. to treat drugs because many try & fail. Though autism has no known cure, we use r.t. that is available to treat it & when newer science comes which can better treat or cure autism, then we use that. Also it’s not just religious groups as you imply.
Dr. Spitzer has said that while homo&lesbians shouldn’t be forced into r.t. as homosexuality was removed from the DSM in 1973, he believes that it must be an option if they want to go straight. Even Simon LeVay said in 2001 that while he dimly views reparative therapy to treat homosexuality, if H&L want r.t. to go straight, then it must be available. Incidentally, using animal sexual behavior such as that of Bonobos as a guide to peopl is a bad idea. Bonobos also fart while dining & even throw turds @ eachother. Crocodiles & rodents sometimes eat their young. The fact that homosexuality & cannibalism is found amongst animals does not change the fact that it’s bad for people.
Yes, reparative therapists have to find treatments or cure for homosexuality which are more convincing than the Dr. Spitzer 2001 report. If you see nothing wrong with homo&lesbian activities, then you’re going to hate what r.t. do. But as noted, if r.t. can discover the 100% cures for h&L & GID, then they have succeeded & the discussions will again change. The world will be a better place with straight normal sex only.
The AMA did not sponsor the Tuskeegee Experiment. That was run by the U.S. Public Health Service, part of the US government.
Your entire argument against gays and lesbians is that “H&L” sex is risky. But you also say that boxers should be allowed to willingly participate in risky behavior: “…if 2 people have the guts to get in the ring & fight, then let them do so.” In other words, risky masculine activities are acceptable, gay sex is not.
It’s pretty clear that your goal here is not harm reduction, but the enforcement of what you consider appropriate gender roles.
NARC, ALL sports carry medical risks. If you’re a track runner, you’ll usu. get arthritis later in life. Gymnasts often get arthritis in knees & arms, because gymnastics also take a toll on the body. Bicyclists also will suffer from knee problems. Racecar drivers & esp. those who work in pit crews often suffer from respiratory problems later in life from breating all those emissions. Every1 who participates in sports are required to understand this & that’s why most boxers & football players who have guts retire when they’re in their early to mid 30s. Though it taxes the body, they’re physically strong. Bodybuilders are physically very strong, though weightlifting takes a toll on the body.
Yes NARC, my agenda is limited to limiting sexual activities to straight normal sex only & my agenda is limited to abolishing sex change maimings.
While the govt. sponsored the Tuskegee Experiment, it was AMA Drs. who participated in it & the American Medical Association’s an apologist for this. The American Medical Association is evil. They don’t want victims of medical negligence to be compensated. For eg. if a Dr. deliberately injects his patients with the AIDS virus, the AMA believes that there should be limits on how much the Dr. should pay in punitive damages. This is bad. Punitive damages are about punishment & are about punishing deliberate & wanton behavior. The more serious the conduct, the more the damages must be. OK, perhaps punitive damages should go to the state, while compensatory damages must go to the Plaintiffs, but the AMA believes that Drs. must not be held accountable when they harm people. Incidentally, many of the AMA Drs. are fat pigs. The AMA is a lobbyist group for & the AMA arrogantly thinks that because they’re Drs. they know the answers when it comes to medicine.
There are patients who won’t listen to their Drs. if they think their Dr. is arrogant. I’ve found that Drs. often give insufficient information such as on weight loss. A common mistake many Drs. make is to advise overweight people to simply diet & walk alot. Walking for obese people is insufficient exercise. If some1 who is significantly overweight wants to lose weight, then you have to exercise aggressively-work in the gym both the upper & lower bodies, lift weights. Now Drs. almost always sincerely want to help their patients & they do their best. Drs. are intelligent, but like every1 else they’re only human & make mistakes.
Finally, Boxers are physically much stronger than the arrogant AMA Drs. A boxer can break every bone in the body of an AMA Dr. Boxers must be commended for their courage & their willingness to get in the ring & fight.
The AMA as noted are madeup of a bunch of fat people. Apparently though the AMA Drs. went through years of medical school, many are fat.
You’re right. Every unethical action of any doctor anywhere can be laid at the feet of the AMA.
Yes NARC, my agenda is limited to limiting sexual activities to straight normal sex only & my agenda is limited to abolishing sex change maimings.
Yes, and therefore you’re a hypocrite.
If some1 who is significantly overweight wants to lose weight, then you have to exercise aggressively-work in the gym both the upper & lower bodies, lift weights.
And now you’re showing your ignorance on medical matters too. Weightlifting isn’t a particularly good way to lose weight. It’s a good way to build muscle, which is anaerobic. To lose fat tissue you need to burn energy, which is best done with aerobic exercise.
The AMA as noted are madeup of a bunch of fat people. Apparently though the AMA Drs. went through years of medical school, many are fat.
I’m not sure what an AMA doctor is and how they are different from a non-AMA doctor. A friend of mine, one of those “AMA doctors” ran 14 miles of a marathon on a broken foot. Until you can do that, you don’t get to whine about how weak they are.
I’m finished with this thread, by the way. You’re not willing to enter in a debate or discussion, just consistently repeating, sans evidence, your moral superiority. You’re constantly changing your argument and refuse to respond to anyone else’s points.
There are many fat Drs. & on TV, I’ve seen AMA Drs. who are fat. I’m not talking about all Drs., I’m talking about the American Medical Association. The American Medical Association on it’s own website say that they’re against compensating victims of medical negligence. They use euphemisms such as stopping frivolous lawsuits, when in reality they don’t want victims compensated, which is why they push for things such as limits on how much some1 can collect if they’re injured.
Now I’m no fan of lawyers-many of them are arrogant & I support some changes to the tort system. Lawyers can be greedy. But I’m against the 1 sided changes that the AMA wants which is protecting victims of medical negligence. There are AMA Drs. who have had sex with their patients. Are you saying that if an AMA Dr. rapes a patient, that he shouldn’t go to jail? People must fight the AMA & tell the AMerican Medical Assoc. for what they are-a bunch of arrogant turds. I wouldn’t be surprised if the AMA friend who ran the 14 mile marathon with a broken foot opposes compensating victims of medical negligence.
When I talked about weight loss, I mean upper & lower body-BOTH aerobic & anaerobic. Anything which burns alot of calories. Weightlifting while it builds muscle tissue can be a good way to lose weight, because it involes burning many calories. Anything which burns calories loses weight.
Finally, AMA Drs. also fart & poo. Your AMA Dr. friend also goes to the toilet, farts & does turds. But the American Medical Assoc. are a bunch of turds & people must stand up to them & ignore what the AMA says.
Finally, I’m not a hypocrite. Being against sex change maimings is synonymous to being against bestiality & the American Medical Association is an apologist for this. Believing that straight normal sex is the only right sexual behavior is synonymous to being against tobacco use. Being against the American Medical Association is synonymous to being against bestiality.
Archpundit, if you’re reading then I believe that @ this point, it’s best to close this topic for any further comments because we are doing reruns not raising any new ideas. You know what I think & almost everything that others have posted such as NARC & Evan are things that I’ve heard before & already addressed. Please close this topic once & for all.
Boxers, fat doctors pooping…
oh my.
Yes Evan, I have nothing new to add to this topic, which is why we’re now discussing things unrelated to what this thread’s supposed to be about. This is typical. After 1 has read & written the same thing so many times, what more can be said other than repeating the same things or discussing unrelated topics? I think the Moderator must close or even delete this thread once & for all & is the Moderator Archpundit even reading these posts?
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