On the Debates

Austin-Mayor offers up a reason why the media is wringing their hands over Obama wanting less than the original 6 debates.

I think there is a simpler explanation. Everyone has built up Obama as a paragon of virtue that the second he acts like a politician they take him to task. Part of it is a sense of fairness where they want to criticize each candidate also. I don’t mind the questioning of Obama, it’s just a bit over the top given we are still looking at 3-4 debates. My view is the Obama campaign ought to turn it around and have a two hour debate tomorrow over transportation. Lipinski can prep Obama on the more arcane subjects. Proft and Pascoe can try and teach Keyes what the Dan Ryan and the Skyway are.

From the Inbox

A doozy from the National Review Online. In a fairly thoughtful piece on the norms of democracy that could have been written by George Will (except he’s a better writer), Jonah Goldberg offers reasons why Keyes candidacy is bad for democracy. Fair enough, until he drops this bombshell

In fact, Keyes wants to repeal the 17th Amendment, which empowers voters rather than state legislatures to elect senators.

To which my inbox commentator has a new slogan idea:
“Keyes – The last vote you’ll ever need to cast.”

The Editorials of the Day

Peoria Journal Star:

But to compare Obama to a “slaveholder” is pushing the envelope for, we trust, most Illinoisans. We won’t even get into Keyes’ contention that a vote for him is a “victory . . . for God,” as he concluded in his acceptance speech last Sunday.

The Daily Southtown:

So far, we haven’t seen much in the way of stimulating ideas from Keyes. The “God is on my side” assertions, and accusations that Barack Obama is aligned with slaveholders are the kind of off-the-wall rhetoric that will turn away reasonable people. It may fire up some of those on the extremes of the political spectrum, and that might stimulate some fundraising. But it won’t win an election, and it might leave the Illinois Republican Party in even worse shape than it already is ? if that’s possible.

More Inside Baseball

Michael responds to my post on the issues surrounding Keyes. He also asks if Obama is misrepresenting himself to the people of Illinois.

A couple things on the specifics–the New Democrat thing is an internal fight. You can find times when I called myself a DLC kind of guy in the archives. I wouldn’t anymore and I have a post detailing why. That said, you’ll notice I do link to the New Democratic Network which is a competing Democratic organization that seeks ‘third way solutions’ (I hate that phrase, but it’s good shorthand). Repudiating the DLC is good sport even for moderate Democrats right now.

That said, is Obama a typical liberal? In some ways yes. I’ll grant the free trade issue as the best example. I think the view is shortsighted and wrong that we need to reduce free trade. In other ways I think he breaks from the typical orthodoxy including on issues like welfare reform and emphasis on EITC and job training. I don’t see a whole lot different there than Jim Edgar’s plan which I thought was a fairly thoughtful way to approach the issue.

Is he running to the middle for the general after staking out progressive territory in the primary? Yes. Is that hypocritical? Maybe, but then every politician except Keyes is guilty of shooting for the median voter. The big question to me is whether he is changing positions, and I haven’t seen that.

The other thing to remember is that many, if not most people don’t vote on issues in the strict sense that many politically obsessive folks think they should (I’m in this category), but instead vote on how they view a candidate’s values and how close are those values to the voter’s own. In that case, framing is an important part of the process and Obama shapes the issues in question to fit the values he thinks he represents. There is nothing wrong with offering competing values in critiquing that.

One of the real problems in claiming individuals support one set of values or the other and then by extension certain types of policies, is that people have competing values and limited time. Thus, when you talk about American values, the best summation of it to me is that the American people are ideologically conservative and operationally liberal. They will rant how they hate government in their lives, but the first case of salmonella in Idaho and everyone wants to know where the federal government was (Mark Russell).

So politicians identify their policies in the values they think will most appeal to voters, but also in where those views come from in themselves. I don’t have a huge problem with that. In fact, that is what the debate should be about. Obama connects most of his positions to values and voters can choose whether to accept or reject those values and positions. No, I don’t think Obama is fooling Illinois citizens. I think he is persuading them by framing the debate. I think Alan Keyes is trying to frame the debate and failing in a spectacular manner that is one of the most amusing political spectacles I’ve ever seen.

So that went a bit longer, the second specific is that, apparently (I haven’t read it yet) in the introduction to his book Obama is clear about what he is doing. I’m okay with that as long as it was made clear to the reader.

Michael asks some good questions which seem to be coming up with some regularity in relation to how I view myself as a web log author.

First, I reject that I don’t talk about issues. With the volume it might not be apparent, but I think many of my recent post have been issue based.

Ultimately, I expect readers to understand that I am a Democrat who is somewhat of an activist and that my views come from that position. If you look at the blogs I link to as blogfathers (a dorky blog term to be sure) they are Democrats who do election analysis from the left of center. I make no bones about that. I don’t attempt to be impartial, but I do attempt to be fair. When I see Democrats acting contrary to Democratic principles as I see them–or even against good policy, I take them to task. I’m pretty sure if Rod Blagojevich had any idea this site existed, he wouldn’t like me much. Or Jack Franks. I also try and point out when Republicans are behaving in a way where coalitions can be built–I’ve issued a fair amount of praise for Tom Cross who I think is a good public servant and is ideologically closer to me than many labor Democrats. I also have sung the praises of Steve Rauschenberger even though on many, many issues I disagree. He’s an excellent public servant regardless of where he stands.

I believe all those issues have an underlying policy basis to them. While that may be lost in a particular example, I believe I do explore those issues frequently.

As to pundit versus public intellectual? I have lower standards for what my blog is. It’s ultimately a vanity site that lets me write about what I like. I do that in a flip way much of the time and it’s for fun. That people read it, surprises me quite often, but that’s fun.

Seldom will I write on bureaucratic oversight which I consider my real work and my work that has some level of seriousness to it. ArchPundit was a corny pseudonym I invented because I wanted to be pseudonomous when I first started and I thought it had the appropriate cheekiness to it. I’ve kept it on because it is a sort of device that adds to the cheekiness I hope the site has.

Bean – Crane Debate

It’s hard to characterize the debate from a news story, but two things stuck out:

1) Bean biffed the O’Hare question which matters in that area of Cook–bad debate prep on the campaigns behalf, though that can be fixed. The reason it matters is that she is running as the intouch person and that takes away from that aura of competence that is key.

2) Crane read from his notes during his opening and closing which many people take as rudeness–being unprepared to discuss the reasons for your candidacy.

Meanwhile, Crane, a former university professor, read his opening and closing comments dispassionately and monotone, rarely glancing at the audience.

Keyes on Free Trade

From Comments:

Keyes on Free Trade

“I said then, and I’ll say now, that anyone who supports American membership in the World Trade Organization demonstrates by that fact alone that he does not understand the most basic things about the importance and nature of American sovereignty, and is thereby disqualified from serving as president of the United States. And let me add that the application of this criterion to the current Republican field will winnow it quite a bit, to put it mildly. We should demand an explanation from any such candidate as to why he is willing to support American participation in an organization that sacrifices the sovereignty of our people.”

He rejects the thought of protectionism, but in interviews has come out against “outsourcing” and in favor of increasing tariffs.

I guess the Obama Truth Squad will be backing Jerry Kohn.

Oops. Okay now. I actually have some criticisms of WTO, but, on the whole, think it is a better system than other possible systems out there.

Mancow Report

From comments by Cynical from Fresh Paint

William Shatner just phoned in.

Mancow has been pretty much trashing Keyes and not letting him get a word in, very much, and when he does he sounds like an idiot. Mancow says he’s not voting for Bush this year because of his war against freedoms, and just asked Keyes about it, who responded with the usual gushing torturous wave of unintelligible crap.

Keyes has to be about ready to explode because he can’t control the discussion and isn’t getting the media strokes he must have expected. (Talk Show = Conservative).

I just want someone to ask Keyes who Bud Billikan is and why we should honor him.

UPDATE: From comments by Bob Romashko

I heard it, and I sort of disagree that Mancow was trashing him. He was certainly trashing Obama – he was trying very hard to get Keyes to call Obama a communist, not to trap Keyes, but because he wanted to hear him say that. He was trying very hard, as well, to get Keyes to play to his angry white man schtick. But he was giving him a free ride.

Shatner, on the other hand, wanted to hear Keyes’ opinions on the whole FCC thing, the PATRIOT act, and the environment.

Nonetheless, Mancow was shilling.

Bumperstickers and Mottos

Austin Mayor should be putting the good stuff up at his blog instead of in comments:

Potential Keyes/Blues Brothers bumper-stickers:
“On a Mission from God.”
“Ya see, me and the Lord have an understanding.”
“Why da ya gotta be so negative all the time? Why can’t ya offer some… constructive criticism?”
“Wasn’t lies, it was just… bullshit.”

Potential IL-GOP motto:
“I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn’t have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN’T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!”

Truth Squads and Such

I don’t like to get into interblog stuff, but Chicago Report is claiming I’ve done nothing, but talk about how dumb the Keyes pick was and his views on abortion.

First, that isn’t true. I’ve pointed out how dumb the pick was because of Keyes views on several issues including

1) abortion–including the arguments that are incorrect over late term abortions
2) evolution
3) The Establishment Clause
4) Contraception
5) Gay Rights
6) Anti-semitism

Given the loon just got in the race a few days ago and he seems quite intent on turning this into a referendum on abortion, what’s the surprise that abortion is a big part of that?

Second, I do political analysis as much as issues and that the Illinois GOP would choose an out of state loon to be their US Senate candidate without understanding how loony the guy is. This explains a rather dramatic problem within the party that I’ve been harping on for just about 2 years. Making that issue worse, Keyes has and continues to attack moderate Republicans.

I reject that I’m supposed to buy into this notion that Keyes is a serious candidate for the US Senate. It was an absurd choice and pointing that out is perfectly legitimate.

In terms of addressing the issues that Obama Truth Squad has taken up, some like free trade I generally agree with OTS. I pointed that out in the Dem primary.

Other issues, such as the bill regarding Obama’s votes against various sentencing bills completely ignores the problems we have uncovered in the Illinois legal system. One in particular is Obama’s vote against the death penalty for the murder of first responders. The State of Illinois needs to reduce the number of conditions under which the death penalty is an available sentence and there are few circumstances that other conditions for the death penalty isn’t met, but first responders are attacked. In the larger context, pandering to anti-crime sentiment with these different bills creates a disaster in terms of coherent sentencing policy. None of these competing issues are addressed and so I don’t find it that useful. If there were damning quotes about Obama’s stances that might be something, but a simple no vote doesn’t tell us much–just as the BAIPA vote didn’t tell us much about it.