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Peter LaBarbera

I’m sure Petey will be a repeat winner and it’s somewhat surprising it took him this long:

The website eMarketer.com reports a recent Harris Interactive online survey of 2,500 adults (18 or older) shows more proportionate weekly use of the sites Friendster and MySpace, and more hourly time on YouTube and Craigslist. At 32 percent, nearly twice as many homosexual and transgender respondents said they were online 24-168 hours per week, compared with 18 percent of heterosexuals.

Americans for Truth president Peter LaBarbera says the article doesn’t mention one major reason for the difference in numbers. “Of course what the article doesn’t say is that it’s a big part of their illicit life,” he asserts. “That’s what the Internet has enabled. The Internet is ideally suited to help uniting people practicing deviance.”

And who knows more about deviance than Petey Labarbera!

It’s Bigoted to Point Out a Cult Leader Runs a News Organization

So Insight tells me:

Both Wolfson and Kurtz raise the issue of Insight being owned by the Unification Church. This is not only irrelevant, but bigoted and, unfortunately, consistent with The Post?s 25-year attempt to discredit if not destroy the one major opposition print publication in their market. It is a form of religious bigotry that tries to smear our credibility by implying that we are owned by religious zealots. And hence, our reporting should not be taken seriously. As Kurtz knows, the truth and veracity of our reporting is what is relevant. We at Insight developed our publication concept, gained support of the Board of Directors, and have run with it ever since, being selected as the top conservative magazine by Rolling Stone in just our first year. So what?s the point in mentioning religion when referencing a relevant and credible secular publication, except as an underhanded ploy to try to marginalize us?

That might be true other than the Unification Church appears to subsidize the Washington Times and Insight as an extension and takes a role in the editorial policy from reports gathered by FAIR.

That is there right and it harkens back to when papers were the arm of political parties. The First Amendment doesn’t make exceptions for newspapers owned by entities, but pointing out the fact that a guy who declared himself the Messiah owns and influences editorial content of a major daily newspaper is hardly bigoted.

Perhaps me calling Moon a cult leader is bigoted, but only if you view the Unification Church as anything other than a cult. John Gorenfeld has a great comparison of Moon to Soros that’s hysterical.

For more Moon fun go here.

US Government Confirms, It Actually Thinks the Grand Canyon is Millions of Years Old

snark Courageous /snark, but still troubling, from Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility

While this is the first time that the Park Service has gone on record distancing itself from the book, Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, on sale in park bookstores, the Barna statement does not explain:

* Why did the Park Service approve it for sale? Under agency rules, park officials are only to allow display materials of the highest accuracy and which support approved park interpretive themes in its bookstores;
* What happened to the “policy review” on the book promised in public statements and in letters to members of Congress by Barna and other NPS officials?
* Why has NPS refused for the past five years to issue the pamphlet entitled “Geologic Interpretive Programs: Distinguishing Science from Religion” providing guidance to park rangers and other interpretive staff on how to answer questions relating to creationism, evolution and related topics?

The Barna statement notes “This book is sold in the inspirational section of the bookstore” but omits the fact that this “inspirational” section was created after PEER exposed the fact that the book was being sold as a “natural history.” The inspirational section now includes anthropological works on Native American culture but no other work remotely resembling the Vail book.

The new Park Service statement implies it will keep selling the creationist book for the foreseeable future, despite protests from the agency’s own specialists that the book’s approval violated Park Service rules.

“Our only point is that the Park Service should stop selling the book with a government seal of approval,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “Nonetheless, we are delighted that the Park Service has, after three years, finally chosen to publicly and unambiguously acknowledge that the Grand Canyon is the product of evolutionary geologic forces.”

As Doonesbury said, teach the controversy apparently….

We Have A Word for People Who Hear Voices

It’s called schizophrenia. I’m as guilty as the next guy in having fun at Robertson’s expense, but in many ways he’s a relic of an old-top-down religious right structure that no longer exists. He’s not the power in the movement. The movement is far more fragmented, but in some ways more effective because organizing is done locally instead of through one organization. People who can tap into that network are far more effective such as James Dobson.

But we still have Robertson to kick around for fun.

The Non-Response

Fran Eaton doesn’t respond instead thinking that the most important criticism is that of her spelling of the word busing.

She considers the rest non-substantive which is bizarre to say the least. Let’s start with she cites an Obama critic as evidence that Obama is being compared to all sorts of religious figures, but she never answers the point in that:

As a word of advice, when writing a column, you might try and actually find someone who says Obama is like Jesus, or a savior, or a deity, a possessor of infinite potential, a king, the second coming, or the almighty. Instead, we get treated to another guy who said something without really pointing out an example of someone actually making such comparisons.

You might get the infinite potential bit in some column, but it would be fascinating to find anyone who seriously argues Obama is like Jesus, or a savior, or a deity, a king, the second coming, or the almighty. Sirota is being sarcastic and critical of Obama so it might be a good idea to actually point to people making such comparisons.

Fran is trying to make two points in the list of twelve controversial, but it isn’t clear why they are controversial:

I’m especially interested in learning more about how one adheres to the “Black Work Ethic” and disavows the pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

Of course, I pointed out that middleclassness is the notion that African-Americans who achieve economic mobility often adopt the notion they are superior to those who do not. It doesn’t suggest one should not strive, it means when one is successful one should not judge others who do not succeed. How do I know this? I have actually read source that reference it before. One in particular is a quick google away. It’s the fifth response to the words Obama and Middleclassness in google and would have been the third before Eaton’s postings.

Of course, the list is not a serious list since affirmative action shouldn’t trouble anyone. Enlarging the applicant pool is generally a good thing for all. Racial quotas are illegal and always have been other than in instances to redress specific instances of discrimination. Reparations aren’t mentioned by the list. Busing was used often to move black kids out of white schools yet was only controversial to people like Fran when it was used to reduce geographic isolation. And there aren’t many government programs dependent upon skin color–notice she didn’t mention any, but I’m sure she has tons of examples for us.

Taken in full, it is a rather uncontroversial 12 statements with the only one confusing to most whites being the issue of middleclassness which isn’t about not being middle class, but about looking down at those who aren’t. The Protestant Work Ethic doesn’t quite translate in black churches the same way. Go figure.

As with most religious statements, the political ramifications are quite unclear. While I’d bet most of Trinity’s members are a liberal lot, there is plenty in that value system any conservative could feel argues for less government. This sort of out of context claptrap is only going to increase as this campaign continues

Fran isn’t really interested in learning about or thinking or she might have also read the bit on Trinity’s web site about Black Work Ethic

Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
“It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago” Whether this is true
or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for
deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate
transportation and reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are
in competition with other cities, states, and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a
goal of the Black workforce.

and for the disavowal of middleclassness:

Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must keep the captive
ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well to serve the system. Also, the captors
must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who
show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Black churches have a history in abolition and resistance to discrimination, hence the language is steeped in the language of those two movements even if most conservatives seem to have only heard one line ever–that being MLK’s one line in a long speech.

The values in Trinity’s statement are non-controversial to both Christians and to Americans.

But don’t let that stop Eaton from trying to draw dark inferences about them.

So to wrap this up for Fran, who is a little slow:

1) where are all these references to Obama as God or other religious figure?

2) You misrepresented policy domains around black politics including affirmative action, quotas, desegregation and busing, reparations, and some amorphous group of government policies.

3) Where is anything in the twelve points requiring support of reparations? Quotas? Busing?

4) They certainly would call for affirmative action which is the point of the idea in middleclassness–African-Americans in the church have a responsibility to address the economic advancement of other African-Americans less well off for them. Affirmative action is just that, taking action to ensure traditionally underrepresented minorities are actually given a chance to compete for jobs. Instead of simply recruiting at magnet schools, recruitment should be done at all schools for colleges is a very basic example.

5) Desegregation is hardly controversial—is anyone suggesting white and black students should be in separate systems? Busing is a rather amorphous term that a good proponent of vouchers such as Eaton might want to think about if she wants a working system of vouchers. It helps to have a plan of how students get to schools they are choosing with vouchers.

6) In terms of a whole host of government programs dependent upon the color of one’s skin, what programs is she even talking about?

Anyone reading the first post of mine would have noticed these objections to Eaton, but she concentrated on a joke about busing. Typical.

I Think This Is Serious

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) thread on his time in jail.

First comment:

So here we may be seeing the real reason Dr. Hovind is jailed.

So the judge, jury and prosecution unwittingly are instruments of God to
answer the heart felt prayer of mother longing to see her jailed son find his
way home. Praise God!

In Christ,
Danny

The comment thread is hysterical–it’s an exciting ministry opportunity!

If this isn’t a well done parody, it appears to have Hovind blogging from jail.

He is optimistic though–he’s scheduled for events in April

You Don’t Say

Petey is going to inform everyone of where public sex is happening:

Men are having perverted ’sex’ with other men all over America–in parks, public restrooms (at places like department stores) and highway rest stops–i.e., in your community “backyard.” There is a well-organized Internet networks that guides men on where to engage in their anonymous, sodomitic acts. Many of these men are not publicly “gay,” or do not identify as homosexual, so they put their unkowing wives or girlfriends in danger of contracting sexually-transmitted diseases.

We’ll tell you where these homosexual “public sex” spots are in your state, and what you can do about it.

And so, Petey is creating another network that guides men on where to engage in their anonymous, sodomitic acts.

All Your Favorite Right Wing Religious Nuts in One Place

Hating on Obama’s participation in Rick Warren’s conference on how to reduce AIDS in Africa.

The problem with Obama’s participation in the conference. He’s a baby killer and so no one should work on a common area of interest.

Like saving lives.

It’s official, none of the signatories ever get to claim to be pro-life again.

Some of the favorites on the Illinois circuit of wingnuts are on the list including Schlafly, Petey, and Kevin McCulloch.

I wonder if we’ll be seeing such criticism of Sam Brownback since both Obama and Brownback have worked on ending the genocide in Darfur.