June 2005

Lott=/Durbin

The most odious of comparisons out there is comparing the situation from Trent Lott’s comments to Strom Thurmond to Durbin’s comments. I wrote the following over at Rich’s as well.

===Sen. Trent Lott had the decency to resign HIS party leadership position after he put his foot in his mouth. No matter how many times he apologized, Dem critics were relentless in demanding his scalp. He did the right thing for his party in giving up his leadership job. I doubt Durbin will have the class to do likewise. Of course the media won’t hold Durbin to the same standard as Lott.

Well, let’s examine what they both said:

“I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.”

So then, brutal segregation was a good thing. Notice the difference here–Lott wasn’t comparing segregation to a nasty practice in another country, he was saying things would have been better underneath it.

What did Dick Durbin say:
“”If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings,” Durbin said Tuesday.”

So, he’s not saying brutality and inhumane treatment are good things as the South was under segregationists like Thurmond, he was saying America is better than brutal dictators.

I think it’s always a bad idea to compare torture to genocidal practices so I think Durbin should have been more circumspect. However, comparing the two types to statesments is nothing more than a craven attempt to compare two statements based on entirely different moral systems. One that believes some classes of humans are inferior and should be exploited, and one that believes the United States’ special role in the world is to defend the dignity of man and in doing so should set an example.

If you still want to compare the two statements I’d suggest you find a moral compass.

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It’s absolutely stunning that someone can compare a call for the country to strive for justice and a higher standard to that of a man who suggested a vile system of repression would have been better than modern America.

Durbin’s Right and Wrong

Durbin was both stupid and wrong to compare the torture allegations to what we might hear out of Nazi Germany, the Khmer Rouge or the Soviet Gulags. He’s correct in a strict analogy that is where we expect to hear such horror stories, but the simple expanse of horrors under those regimes makes it a bad comparison. Since the US isn’t doing this systematically to entire populations it distracts attention and trivializes the victims. The ADL points this out well.

Zorn also points out Wes Clark’s point that pretty much raising Hitler in any political discussion means you lose–unless you are talking about Matt Hale, but that dipnuts is going to be in prison long enough that shouldn’t be a problem for a while.

The next part is what I posted over at Rich’s yesterday:

Nothing Dick Durbin did is going to help recruit young Islamic men to Al Qaeda. However, ignoring due process and engaging in prisoner treatment that is torture will only make the case against America stronger in the Middle East.

Due process in the modern world is largely a construct of Anglo-American political history–ignoring that proud tradition helps our enemies, not pointing out how we are ignoring it.

The prohibition against torture was enshrined in our own Constitution. If we can’t live up to our own social contract it’s a bit hard to sell our system as the better one–and it is.

Calling on The United States to live up to it’s social contract isn’t helping our enemies, it’s standing up for the ideals our Founders layed out in the Declaration of Independence.

There’s a lot of crap on this subject that’s obscuring the basic point–the United States of America is denying individuals access to due process and engaging in torture whether by our hands or by the hands of our allies.

There is no excuse for either of the above. We are better than that and we should thank those who point that out. Confusing the point with genocide is stupid and Durbin allowed this to get off target by choosing cases that involved genocide. Why did he do that? Anger? Probably. Would Uzbekistan be better? Hard to say. We don’t shoot people for mass protests, but we do engage in torture. What’s most bothersome is that people feel the need to distinguish The United States from these horrible governments by saying we aren’t that bad.

The defense of the United States shouldn’t rest upon being not as bad as despots and genocidal lunatics, it should rest in our unfailing commitment to the rule of law–something we aren’t living up to now.

The odd thing is that the press would have yet again ignored the problem if he hadn’t used those examples.

Indy Poll for Governor’s Race

A lot of attention focused on Lisa Madigan and the Govenor being about even in the recent poll by the Glengariff Group and then how Topinka faired against the Guv.

But that’s not the news. Neither is Topinka’s being on top. The news is who is at the bottom and Rich Miller catches it. Gidwitz is at one percent raising the question how the hell did they call him and his mother both.

The real news is Steve Rauschenberger down at 3% (4% with leaners) in a poll coming only a little over a year after his candidacy for US Senate. His big challenge is raising cash which he hasn’t been particularly good at in the past, but if he can do that, he can raise his name recognition, but despite a last minute surge in the Senate race, his showing doesn’t seem to have any lasting effect.

Oberweis shows no improvement from last time with 15-16% total support. It’s hard to imagine he breaks the 25% he got in the Senate primary and LaHood is at 8-9% which isn’t bad or good–just about right for a guy who isn’t actively campaigning, but is a Member of Congress.

This race is shaping up to be one between Lahood, Topinka and Oberweis with Rauschenberger being the potential 4th candidate if he can raise enough cash. Assuming Rauschenberger can be competitive and O’Malley siphons off the 10% kool aid drinkers, Topinka is in a very strong position to win the nomination and that is the hardest race for Blagojevich (with LaHood perhaps close behind).

The Details (sub required)

A Glengariff Group (R) poll; conducted 6/2-4 for their own consumption; surveyed 600 regis. IL voters; margin of error +/- 4% (Capitol Fax, 6/15). Dem subsample: approx. 225 Dems; margin of error +/- 6.5%. GOP subsample: approx. 180 GOPers; margin of error +/- 7.4%. Tested: Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D), AG Lisa Madigan (D), Treas. Judy Baar Topinka (R), ’02 and ’04 IL SEN candidate/dairy farmer Jim Oberweis (R), Rep. Ray LaHood (R-18), ’04 SEN candidate/state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger (R) and businessman Ron Gidwitz (R).

I Just Want to Thank

Ron Gidwitz for volunteering to be the punching bag of all Illinois bloggers and political pundits for the next year. I’d also like to suggest he find whomever did Oberweis’ commercials for the 2004 Senate race and hire them to a non-exclusive contract (one which allows them to make commercials for Oberweis too).

In addition, the campaign staff that will simply be able to say, “hey, look at the material he gave us to work with” should send him some flowers today just to get ahead of the rush when employment ends next March.

The good news is that his negatives will never be lower

How Uncomfortable

Wash U hightlights the importance of stem cell research in the monthly e-mail to grads

All the while the St. Charles County Government is fighting over whether to support RCGA because RCGA lobbied to stop a ban on stem cell research involving SNTC The best part, the St. Chuck County Council is likely to override Ortwerth.

So the Republicans got almost their entire agenda through this session–what happens next session?

Abortion and stem cells all day and all night. That’s quite a strategery for appealing to moderate voters!

IL 8: McSweeney Against the Castle Bill

Just another mainstream conservative. Snort

IL: What are your thoughts on the current hot issue of stem cell research?

M: I am absolutely opposed to the bill that just passed the House of Representatives. I support the President 100 percent on that issue. There was a much better alternative that allowed stem cell research on umbilical cords – I support that. But I do oppose federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. I would have voted no on the Castle bill.

In more fun:

: Everyone’s concerned about the high gas prices. Have any ideas on how to handle that issue?

M: I strongly support the President?s energy policy. The U.S. House of Representatives voted for an energy bill which Melissa Bean opposed, that bill would have allowed a safe development of natural gas resources in the U.S., safe development of nuclear power, and I?m strongly in favor of trying to increase our domestic capabilities on energy production.

So what about drilling in Lake Michigan, Dave?