“[Senate Candidate 4]”  in  the Senate “before  I  just give  fucking  [Senate Candidate 1] a
fucking Senate seat and I don’t get anything.”  (Senate Candidate 4 is a Deputy Governor of
the State of Illinois).  ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that he needs to find a way to take the
“financial stress” off of his family and that his wife is as qualified or more qualified than
another  specifically named individual to sit on corporate boards.  According to ROD

====104. On November 11, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with JOHN HARRIS
about the Senate seat.  ROD BLAGOJEVICH suggested starting a 501(c)(4) organization (a
non-profit organization that may engage in political activity and lobbying) and getting “his
(believed to be the President-elect’s) friend Warren Buffett or some of those guys to help us
on something like that.” HARRIS asked, “what, for you?”  ROD BLAGOJEVICH replied,
“yeah.”  Later in the conversation, ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that if he appoints Senate
Candidate 4 to the Senate seat and, thereafter, it appears that ROD BLAGOJEVICH might
get impeached, he could “count on [Senate Candidate 4],  if  things got hot,  to give [the Senate
seat] up  and let me parachute over there.”  HARRIS said, “you can count on [Senate
Candidate 4] to do that.”  Later in the conversation, ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows
that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the Senate seat but “they’re not willing
to give me anything except appreciation.  Fuck them.”