Comments on: Due Process and Rights? http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/ Illinois, From Misery Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:34:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Stuart Shiffman http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18848 Stuart Shiffman Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:36:01 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18848 Larry: I also thought it was My Pet Goat but according to Wikipedia and Amazon the actual title is The Pet Goat. Regardless of The or My we know that the true title is Fiddling While Rome Burns Larry:

I also thought it was My Pet Goat but according to Wikipedia and Amazon the actual title is The Pet Goat. Regardless of The or My we know that the true title is Fiddling While Rome Burns

]]> By: Vasyl http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18847 Vasyl Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:59:26 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18847 The thing I don't understand is how, in trying to make the process "deliberative," the committee managed to make it look like anything but deliberative? The testimony has been a confusing mish-mosh with no overarching narrative. This, unfortunatley, gives Genson some credibility when claiming his client has been railroaded. The problem is not the slow pace (which I agree is unnecessary); it's that the articles of impeachment should have been drafted before the hearings, and the hearings used to justify them. This could have taken a week, two at most -- and made the process a lot more dignified. The thing I don’t understand is how, in trying to make the process “deliberative,” the committee managed to make it look like anything but deliberative?

The testimony has been a confusing mish-mosh with no overarching narrative. This, unfortunatley, gives Genson some credibility when claiming his client has been railroaded.

The problem is not the slow pace (which I agree is unnecessary); it’s that the articles of impeachment should have been drafted before the hearings, and the hearings used to justify them. This could have taken a week, two at most — and made the process a lot more dignified.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18845 ArchPundit Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:23:14 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18845 Mike Madigan is a cautious guy and to make matters worse, he's worried about his daughter as a possible Governor. He wants her being the center of attention when possible and he wants to protect her from potential threats. He's very much an institutionalist. The problem with that is that when you face a crisis, the institution needs to move fast. As Stuart mentioned in another comment, they can pass legislationin a day when they want to, but all of a sudden we are facing several crises and they are sitting around holding hearings and more hearings. While they aren't the only players here, the Family Madigan are the biggest impediments to getting this done with. When the state has needed them most, they are doing the least they can. And Stuart, it's My Pet Goat ;) Mike Madigan is a cautious guy and to make matters worse, he’s worried about his daughter as a possible Governor. He wants her being the center of attention when possible and he wants to protect her from potential threats.

He’s very much an institutionalist. The problem with that is that when you face a crisis, the institution needs to move fast. As Stuart mentioned in another comment, they can pass legislationin a day when they want to, but all of a sudden we are facing several crises and they are sitting around holding hearings and more hearings.

While they aren’t the only players here, the Family Madigan are the biggest impediments to getting this done with. When the state has needed them most, they are doing the least they can.

And Stuart, it’s My Pet Goat ;)

]]> By: leo http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18844 leo Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:13:30 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18844 "and what I don’t get is who benefits from dragging this out." Maybe there's a natural reluctance for legislators to go down this path -- at least as a process taking just a week or two. I'm sure this reluctance has disappeared thanks to the Senate nomination. “and what I don’t get is who benefits from dragging this out.”

Maybe there’s a natural reluctance for legislators to go down this path — at least as a process taking just a week or two.

I’m sure this reluctance has disappeared thanks to the Senate nomination.

]]> By: Hiram Wurf http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18842 Hiram Wurf Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:54:39 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18842 Larry, you've been making this argument (I think manifestly correctly) for a while now - and what I don't get is who benefits from dragging this out. Maybe a little drag was useful for political cover, to make Blagojevich look so contemptible that it would be seen as unavoidable to impeach him, but why drag it on and on? Is it against Lt Gov Quinn - perhaps trying to play out the clock a bit? Is it useful to have a crippled executive right now (for stalling/burying upcoming legislation, preparing to push legislation through the governor (or Lt Gov) opposes, or some related reason)? Are they trying to further bury Blagojevich loyalists or perhaps some contributors as payback or a warning not to mess with the Speaker? It's hard to imagine that they're playing it the way they are with no purpose - so what's the game? Larry, you’ve been making this argument (I think manifestly correctly) for a while now – and what I don’t get is who benefits from dragging this out. Maybe a little drag was useful for political cover, to make Blagojevich look so contemptible that it would be seen as unavoidable to impeach him, but why drag it on and on? Is it against Lt Gov Quinn – perhaps trying to play out the clock a bit? Is it useful to have a crippled executive right now (for stalling/burying upcoming legislation, preparing to push legislation through the governor (or Lt Gov) opposes, or some related reason)? Are they trying to further bury Blagojevich loyalists or perhaps some contributors as payback or a warning not to mess with the Speaker? It’s hard to imagine that they’re playing it the way they are with no purpose – so what’s the game?

]]> By: Stuart Shiffman http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/12/31/due-process-and-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-18839 Stuart Shiffman Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:55:43 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=11142#comment-18839 A measured and careful manner. If you had a heart attack and were rushed to the hospital wouldn't you be assured when the nurse told you you would be treated in a measured and careful manner. These people are buffoons. You know the legislature ,when it is to their advantage, passes laws in less than one day and often does not even read what they pass. But for this crisis (and it is a crisis) we must proceed in a measured and careful manner. I just have to keep saying it---these people disgust me. Anyone can run the government when there are no problems. Now is when we need leadership. Instead the Illinois Legislature sits around reading "The Pet Goat." A measured and careful manner. If you had a heart attack and were rushed to the hospital wouldn’t you be assured when the nurse told you you would be treated in a measured and careful manner.

These people are buffoons. You know the legislature ,when it is to their advantage, passes laws in less than one day and often does not even read what they pass. But for this crisis (and it is a crisis) we must proceed in a measured and careful manner.

I just have to keep saying it—these people disgust me. Anyone can run the government when there are no problems. Now is when we need leadership. Instead the Illinois Legislature sits around reading “The Pet Goat.”

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