Comments on: The Clownshow Continues http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/ Illinois, From Misery Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:00:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18604 ArchPundit Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:00:52 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18604 ===an’t a guardian or parent do that on your behalf if you are a minor? No, and furthermore, simply because Indonesia doesn't accept dual citizenship that doesn't mean the US couldn't. It's a giant canard. ===an’t a guardian or parent do that on your behalf if you are a minor?

No, and furthermore, simply because Indonesia doesn’t accept dual citizenship that doesn’t mean the US couldn’t. It’s a giant canard.

]]> By: Steve http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18603 Steve Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:43:38 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18603 Rob, of course I understand all of that, I'm just asking what the counterargument is. Archpundit, the website says you can lose U.S. Citizenship by voluntarily renouncing it. Can't a guardian or parent do that on your behalf if you are a minor? They can make any other decision concerning you personally. I don't see why the fact that he's a minor means that his parent couldn't "voluntarily renounce" the citizenship by proxy. Again, I'm just interested in the counterargument to the conspiracy mongering, and I just don't see it yet. Obviously, you have to accept strained facts, but I'm still curious. Rob, of course I understand all of that, I’m just asking what the counterargument is.

Archpundit, the website says you can lose U.S. Citizenship by voluntarily renouncing it. Can’t a guardian or parent do that on your behalf if you are a minor? They can make any other decision concerning you personally. I don’t see why the fact that he’s a minor means that his parent couldn’t “voluntarily renounce” the citizenship by proxy.

Again, I’m just interested in the counterargument to the conspiracy mongering, and I just don’t see it yet. Obviously, you have to accept strained facts, but I’m still curious.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18601 ArchPundit Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:50:59 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18601 Pretty much answered here: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Obama could not renounce his US Citizenship as he was a minor. It's a bunch of malarky. Pretty much answered here:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Obama could not renounce his US Citizenship as he was a minor. It’s a bunch of malarky.

]]> By: Rob_N http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18600 Rob_N Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:20:09 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18600 Steve, Here's a simple test: Would these same legions of anti-Obama partisans be doing the exact same thing if it had been John McCain who had the same life story as Obama (born in Hawaii, immigrant father, moved to Indonesia for a time....)? The answer is no. No, they would not be going to these lengths to claim that a Republican - ie, John McCain - is somehow less of a citizen than you or I. Steve,

Here’s a simple test: Would these same legions of anti-Obama partisans be doing the exact same thing if it had been John McCain who had the same life story as Obama (born in Hawaii, immigrant father, moved to Indonesia for a time….)?

The answer is no. No, they would not be going to these lengths to claim that a Republican – ie, John McCain – is somehow less of a citizen than you or I.

]]> By: Steve http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18598 Steve Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:09:01 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18598 I know all of this is transparently stupid, but as I understand it, the theory is that even if he was born in Hawaii, his time in Indonesia, which does not allow dual citizenship, effectively revoked his U.S. citizenship b/c he lived with his dad as an Indonesian citizen, and he never re-obtained his U.S. Citizenship. Yes, I realize this is all nonsense. What I haven't seen though, is any analysis taking the argument seriously as a legal argument, and am curious as to why it's wrong (I haven't studied any of this closely). I know all of this is transparently stupid, but as I understand it, the theory is that even if he was born in Hawaii, his time in Indonesia, which does not allow dual citizenship, effectively revoked his U.S. citizenship b/c he lived with his dad as an Indonesian citizen, and he never re-obtained his U.S. Citizenship. Yes, I realize this is all nonsense. What I haven’t seen though, is any analysis taking the argument seriously as a legal argument, and am curious as to why it’s wrong (I haven’t studied any of this closely).

]]> By: Rob_N http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/11/17/the-clownshow-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-18595 Rob_N Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:04:32 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/?p=10794#comment-18595 <i>"It's really hard to be this stupid."</i> I was about to say "No it's not" and link to something re the recent <a href="http://progressillinois.com/2008/11/07/rahm-emanuel-property-taxes" rel="nofollow">Fran Eaton lie about Rahm Emanuel's taxes</a>... but then I remembered that even Fran Eaton quit the Keyes campaign back in 2004 because his antics were too much even for her. PS: This is doubly-stupid in that even if President-elect Obama somehow lost all of California's Electoral College votes, he still has enough to win the White House. “It’s really hard to be this stupid.”

I was about to say “No it’s not” and link to something re the recent Fran Eaton lie about Rahm Emanuel’s taxes… but then I remembered that even Fran Eaton quit the Keyes campaign back in 2004 because his antics were too much even for her.

PS: This is doubly-stupid in that even if President-elect Obama somehow lost all of California’s Electoral College votes, he still has enough to win the White House.

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