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		<title>By: JonShibleyFan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16629</link>
		<dc:creator>JonShibleyFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>got cut off:

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		<title>By: JonShibleyFan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16628</link>
		<dc:creator>JonShibleyFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am neither &quot;shooting from the hip and hoping nobody notices,&quot; nor am I spinning/obfuscating.

So, you want demonstrably correct, here it is:

284,201 people in the 11th CD voted in at least one of the last four general or primary elections.  They won&#039;t all vote, but at least in recent history, they HAVE voted.

There are, as of 11/06, 10,390 new registrants in the 11th CD.

That makes for 294,591 active voters in the 11th cd.

There are an estimated 12,045 African American VOTERS in the 11th CD.

12,045 out of 294,591 is .0408, or &quot;roughly 4%.&quot;

If you&#039;re still learning about how politics and campaigning works, that&#039;s fine - I know I sure am.  I do know this - when all of the spin has come and gone, when all of the dimestore analysis and rank overconfidence on blogs has past, it is about the numbers.  And the census bureau does a fine job of telling us how many people live in the US.  But for politics they are an imperfect tool. 

So, the attitude, and the overconfidence...keep it.

BTW, the numbers come from a data vendor used by telephone, mail, polling and other political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am neither &#8220;shooting from the hip and hoping nobody notices,&#8221; nor am I spinning/obfuscating.</p>
<p>So, you want demonstrably correct, here it is:</p>
<p>284,201 people in the 11th CD voted in at least one of the last four general or primary elections.  They won&#8217;t all vote, but at least in recent history, they HAVE voted.</p>
<p>There are, as of 11/06, 10,390 new registrants in the 11th CD.</p>
<p>That makes for 294,591 active voters in the 11th cd.</p>
<p>There are an estimated 12,045 African American VOTERS in the 11th CD.</p>
<p>12,045 out of 294,591 is .0408, or &#8220;roughly 4%.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re still learning about how politics and campaigning works, that&#8217;s fine &#8211; I know I sure am.  I do know this &#8211; when all of the spin has come and gone, when all of the dimestore analysis and rank overconfidence on blogs has past, it is about the numbers.  And the census bureau does a fine job of telling us how many people live in the US.  But for politics they are an imperfect tool. </p>
<p>So, the attitude, and the overconfidence&#8230;keep it.</p>
<p>BTW, the numbers come from a data vendor used by telephone, mail, polling and other political.</p>
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		<title>By: We Are...Penn State email list</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16625</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonShibleyFan:

&lt;i&gt;The U.S. Census Bureau doesnâ€™t measure registered voters.&lt;/i&gt;

Nice try, but your statement &quot;the district is roughly 4% black&quot; is demonstrably wrong. No amount of spin/obfuscation can change that. Perhaps you should consider fact-checking rather than just shooting from the hip and hoping nobody notices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonShibleyFan:</p>
<p><i>The U.S. Census Bureau doesnâ€™t measure registered voters.</i></p>
<p>Nice try, but your statement &#8220;the district is roughly 4% black&#8221; is demonstrably wrong. No amount of spin/obfuscation can change that. Perhaps you should consider fact-checking rather than just shooting from the hip and hoping nobody notices.</p>
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		<title>By: JonShibleyFan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16601</link>
		<dc:creator>JonShibleyFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. Census Bureau doesn&#039;t measure registered voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Census Bureau doesn&#8217;t measure registered voters.</p>
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		<title>By: We Are...Penn State email list</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16598</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonShibleyFan:

&lt;i&gt;The district is roughly 4% black.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re roughly half right. The U.S. Census Bureau says the 11th District is 7.8% Black or African-American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonShibleyFan:</p>
<p><i>The district is roughly 4% black.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re roughly half right. The U.S. Census Bureau says the 11th District is 7.8% Black or African-American.</p>
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		<title>By: ArchPundit</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16584</link>
		<dc:creator>ArchPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---Do you find it at all curious that the Rezko plan and the Halvorson plan are almost identical? Do you think she came up with that plan herself or did she perhaps receive guidance from a corrupt, now-convicted felon?

Ummm...the Jackson plan and the Rezko plan were very similar. Jackson and Blagojevich were negotiating over the number of appointments the Governor got compared to a fairly involved process involving local communities, the County Board and local trustees that Halvorson put forward.  

Jackson&#039;s plan was far more open to pay to play than Halvorson&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;Do you find it at all curious that the Rezko plan and the Halvorson plan are almost identical? Do you think she came up with that plan herself or did she perhaps receive guidance from a corrupt, now-convicted felon?</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230;the Jackson plan and the Rezko plan were very similar. Jackson and Blagojevich were negotiating over the number of appointments the Governor got compared to a fairly involved process involving local communities, the County Board and local trustees that Halvorson put forward.  </p>
<p>Jackson&#8217;s plan was far more open to pay to play than Halvorson&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: We Are...Penn State email list</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16581</link>
		<dc:creator>We Are...Penn State email list</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob_N:

&lt;i&gt;No, my Nittany Lion friend, Arch is not always objective. Thatâ€™s the point.&lt;/i&gt;

So sad my sarcasm was lost on you.

&lt;i&gt;Though, here, he clearly is objectively looking at the Jackson/Halvorson battle and pointing out where Jackson is just flat-out wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

So most of the time he&#039;s partisan, but this time he&#039;s just &quot;calling it like he sees it&quot;? Uh-huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob_N:</p>
<p><i>No, my Nittany Lion friend, Arch is not always objective. Thatâ€™s the point.</i></p>
<p>So sad my sarcasm was lost on you.</p>
<p><i>Though, here, he clearly is objectively looking at the Jackson/Halvorson battle and pointing out where Jackson is just flat-out wrong.</i></p>
<p>So most of the time he&#8217;s partisan, but this time he&#8217;s just &#8220;calling it like he sees it&#8221;? Uh-huh.</p>
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		<title>By: JonShibleyFan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/06/10/the-cheap-shot-at-halvorson/comment-page-1/#comment-16570</link>
		<dc:creator>JonShibleyFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Halvorson was expecting black voters to support her, Jackson just nuked that expectation this morning.&quot;

Yeah.  The district is roughly 4% black.  And I&#039;ll lay wager they aren&#039;t accustomed to voting Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Halvorson was expecting black voters to support her, Jackson just nuked that expectation this morning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah.  The district is roughly 4% black.  And I&#8217;ll lay wager they aren&#8217;t accustomed to voting Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: VanillaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>VanillaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse Jackson Jr.&#039;s interview this morning puts this story into a new spin. He is publically calling her out. He is forceful and angry and labels her as a Rezko stooge.

So this isn&#039;t about semantics anymore. This isn&#039;t about Bryant anymore. This is about Halvorson&#039;s campaign getting prime time denunciations from a fellow Democrat, a US Congressman with over a decade of experience.

If Halvorson was expecting black voters to support her, Jackson just nuked that expectation this morning. He made himself clear. He said he didn&#039;t care about Halvorson getting her job, but that 15,000 Illinoians getting theirs.

Rich Miller was right. This story isn&#039;t about the damn commission, it is about a powerful Congressman taking down his neighboring Congressional candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse Jackson Jr.&#8217;s interview this morning puts this story into a new spin. He is publically calling her out. He is forceful and angry and labels her as a Rezko stooge.</p>
<p>So this isn&#8217;t about semantics anymore. This isn&#8217;t about Bryant anymore. This is about Halvorson&#8217;s campaign getting prime time denunciations from a fellow Democrat, a US Congressman with over a decade of experience.</p>
<p>If Halvorson was expecting black voters to support her, Jackson just nuked that expectation this morning. He made himself clear. He said he didn&#8217;t care about Halvorson getting her job, but that 15,000 Illinoians getting theirs.</p>
<p>Rich Miller was right. This story isn&#8217;t about the damn commission, it is about a powerful Congressman taking down his neighboring Congressional candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: ValleyGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValleyGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were they similar? All we have is this guy&#039;s say-so based on what he remembers of a conversation two years ago.

What we do know is the text of the bill which clearly mixes board membership:

Four to come from the Will County board, one appointed after elected by officials from four cities, one from Kankakee County and only one from the Governor.

So, yes they are appointed, but need the approval of elected county and village officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were they similar? All we have is this guy&#8217;s say-so based on what he remembers of a conversation two years ago.</p>
<p>What we do know is the text of the bill which clearly mixes board membership:</p>
<p>Four to come from the Will County board, one appointed after elected by officials from four cities, one from Kankakee County and only one from the Governor.</p>
<p>So, yes they are appointed, but need the approval of elected county and village officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonie!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonie!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why were the Rezko and Halvorson plans so similiar?  No one has answered that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why were the Rezko and Halvorson plans so similiar?  No one has answered that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob_N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob_N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Penn State alum seems to have a thing for Marty Ozinga the Third. &lt;a href=&quot;http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brings him out of the woodwork&lt;/a&gt;. Gee, I wonder if his last name in real life starts with an &quot;ozing&quot;...

And no, my Nittany Lion friend, Arch is not always objective. 

That&#039;s the point.

Though, here, he clearly is objectively looking at the Jackson/Halvorson battle and pointing out where Jackson is just flat-out wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Penn State alum seems to have a thing for Marty Ozinga the Third. <a href="http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery/#comments" rel="nofollow">brings him out of the woodwork</a>. Gee, I wonder if his last name in real life starts with an &#8220;ozing&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>And no, my Nittany Lion friend, Arch is not always objective. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point.</p>
<p>Though, here, he clearly is objectively looking at the Jackson/Halvorson battle and pointing out where Jackson is just flat-out wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: JonShibleyFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonShibleyFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are...not so smart.

Seriously, reading comprehension not your thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are&#8230;not so smart.</p>
<p>Seriously, reading comprehension not your thing?</p>
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		<title>By: We Are...Penn State email list</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Are...Penn State email list</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™d like to blame Ozinga for it...&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m glad you clarified that. This way nobody can ever accuse you of being objective.

Do you find it at all curious that the Rezko plan and the Halvorson plan are almost identical? Do you think she came up with that plan herself or did she perhaps receive guidance from a corrupt, now-convicted felon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™d like to blame Ozinga for it&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you clarified that. This way nobody can ever accuse you of being objective.</p>
<p>Do you find it at all curious that the Rezko plan and the Halvorson plan are almost identical? Do you think she came up with that plan herself or did she perhaps receive guidance from a corrupt, now-convicted felon?</p>
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