Comments on: What if there is a Senate Vacancy http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/ Illinois, From Misery Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:34:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Could Rod Blagojevich appoint himself Senator? - A Chicago Blog http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-18003 Could Rod Blagojevich appoint himself Senator? - A Chicago Blog Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:16:22 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-18003 [...] Other views: [...] [...] Other views: [...]

]]> By: The Rezko mess: a (tangential?) Madison County link http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-16815 The Rezko mess: a (tangential?) Madison County link Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:48 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-16815 [...] the editorialists of the Chamber-backed Madison County Record, while Eric Zorn of the Tribune and ArchPundit speculate that Blagojevich might appoint Hoffman to Barack Obama’s seat in the U.S. Senate [...] [...] the editorialists of the Chamber-backed Madison County Record, while Eric Zorn of the Tribune and ArchPundit speculate that Blagojevich might appoint Hoffman to Barack Obama’s seat in the U.S. Senate [...]

]]> By: Who Will Pat Quinn Select to Succeed Obama? « John Bracken http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11470 Who Will Pat Quinn Select to Succeed Obama? « John Bracken Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:06:26 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11470 [...] Rezko case news makes that slightly less likely.  In any case, Ramsin Canon, Eric Zorn and Larry Handlin have started to wonder who Governor Blagojevich, or Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn, might appoint to [...] [...] Rezko case news makes that slightly less likely.  In any case, Ramsin Canon, Eric Zorn and Larry Handlin have started to wonder who Governor Blagojevich, or Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn, might appoint to [...]

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11401 ArchPundit Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:08:51 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11401 Except Alexi's 'ties' are that people affiliated with the mob got loans that pass every test as legitimate from a loaning banks' perspective. Keeping up Madigan's smear campaign is kind of silly given even Madigan gave up on it. Secondly, did you read what I said about Seals and Madigan? I said almost the same thing. Perhaps your reading skills are undwhelming. Except Alexi’s ‘ties’ are that people affiliated with the mob got loans that pass every test as legitimate from a loaning banks’ perspective. Keeping up Madigan’s smear campaign is kind of silly given even Madigan gave up on it.

Secondly, did you read what I said about Seals and Madigan? I said almost the same thing. Perhaps your reading skills are undwhelming.

]]> By: Kate Berlow http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11400 Kate Berlow Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:01:56 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11400 Your post has so many fallacies and weaknesses it makes your "expertise" a bit underwhelming.. First of all, Alexi Giannoulias has more baggage than Mariah Carey on her way to Aspen. Hello loans to convicted felons? Hello Greek mob covers? Can you say Mike Giarango? Second of all, like Dan Seals, Tammy Duckworth hasn't been elected to a congressional seat either. Not such a smart move to put an inexperienced candidate into such an important vacancy, especially with all the flack Obama has received for lack of experience..and he held a state senate seat. Last of all, the only person who Blagojevich likes less than Judy Baar Topinka is Mike Madigan. Therefore, choosing Lisa Madigan is just not going to happen. Your post has so many fallacies and weaknesses it makes your “expertise” a bit underwhelming..
First of all, Alexi Giannoulias has more baggage than Mariah Carey on her way to Aspen. Hello loans to convicted felons? Hello Greek mob covers? Can you say Mike Giarango?
Second of all, like Dan Seals, Tammy Duckworth hasn’t been elected to a congressional seat either. Not such a smart move to put an inexperienced candidate into such an important vacancy, especially with all the flack Obama has received for lack of experience..and he held a state senate seat.
Last of all, the only person who Blagojevich likes less than Judy Baar Topinka is Mike Madigan. Therefore, choosing Lisa Madigan is just not going to happen.

]]> By: Rich Miller http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11398 Rich Miller Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:02:57 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11398 jerry 101 makes another good point. Getting Jesse White to the US Senate would allow him to appoint Punkinhaid to SoS. Brilliant! jerry 101 makes another good point. Getting Jesse White to the US Senate would allow him to appoint Punkinhaid to SoS. Brilliant!

]]> By: Chris http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11396 Chris Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:01:22 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11396 I think I'm a little late coming into this one. I agree with Rich about this being Illinois and a minority replacing a minority is key to a vacant senate seat. Personally I think the best choice for the job is Lisa Madigan. I don't think Rod is looking at 2010, he knows he's done. Even without an indictment, any decent Republican would beat him in 2010. Aside from Lisa, I suppose Alexi, though I think he needs to spend some more time as treasurer first. Or, Rod could appoint Jesse White, pleasing minorities and the Party and then let the voters figure it out the year later. There's no way Jesse would be up for a US Senate election. Cool site. I think I’m a little late coming into this one. I agree with Rich about this being Illinois and a minority replacing a minority is key to a vacant senate seat. Personally I think the best choice for the job is Lisa Madigan. I don’t think Rod is looking at 2010, he knows he’s done. Even without an indictment, any decent Republican would beat him in 2010. Aside from Lisa, I suppose Alexi, though I think he needs to spend some more time as treasurer first.

Or, Rod could appoint Jesse White, pleasing minorities and the Party and then let the voters figure it out the year later. There’s no way Jesse would be up for a US Senate election.

Cool site.

]]> By: jerry 101 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11395 jerry 101 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:58 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11395 he could punt...i think i saw someone suggest jesse white. jesse could retire as senator white, and then blago wouldn't have to worry about alienating anyone with his pick. oh, wait...that throws the whole argument off. This is blago. He...Must...Alienate...Someone! he could punt…i think i saw someone suggest jesse white.

jesse could retire as senator white, and then blago wouldn’t have to worry about alienating anyone with his pick.

oh, wait…that throws the whole argument off.

This is blago.

He…Must…Alienate…Someone!

]]> By: Rich Miller http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11364 Rich Miller Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:33:21 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11364 JonShibleyFan does make a good case about Duckworth being a decent compromise, which has made me rethink things. She's not a total lib, she's a minority, she's a wounded war hero. She's not a Chicagoan. Plus, Rod has already elevated her once. The question there would be health. She had some real problems in '06 that weren't reported (she had to stop every day for an IV antibiotic treatment, for example). A statewide race would add more stress. I haven't talked to her in a few months to check up, but the last time I did she seemed fine. If she's healthy, she could be a powerful choice. I heard from several poll-watching pals in '06 about how lots of Chicagoans were upset when they found out she wasn't on their ballots. Her ads and her image went over very well in the city. It would be tough to complain about her. JonShibleyFan does make a good case about Duckworth being a decent compromise, which has made me rethink things. She’s not a total lib, she’s a minority, she’s a wounded war hero. She’s not a Chicagoan. Plus, Rod has already elevated her once.

The question there would be health. She had some real problems in ’06 that weren’t reported (she had to stop every day for an IV antibiotic treatment, for example). A statewide race would add more stress. I haven’t talked to her in a few months to check up, but the last time I did she seemed fine.

If she’s healthy, she could be a powerful choice. I heard from several poll-watching pals in ’06 about how lots of Chicagoans were upset when they found out she wasn’t on their ballots. Her ads and her image went over very well in the city. It would be tough to complain about her.

]]> By: Rich Miller http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11363 Rich Miller Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:21:32 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11363 ===That is a little gratuitous, no?=== It's only gratuitous if it's false. lol ===That is a little gratuitous, no?===

It’s only gratuitous if it’s false. lol

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11356 ArchPundit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:57:11 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11356 Given Rod's precarious political position and his enemies, it's just that there isn't an easy pick--the few decent choices who fit a profile that would work are too green and those that aren't green have some strike against them with a key constituency. Hence, why I can see him choosing Blair Hull ;) Though I think Duckworth might make a good choice for splitting the baby. Given Rod’s precarious political position and his enemies, it’s just that there isn’t an easy pick–the few decent choices who fit a profile that would work are too green and those that aren’t green have some strike against them with a key constituency.

Hence, why I can see him choosing Blair Hull ;)

Though I think Duckworth might make a good choice for splitting the baby.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11355 ArchPundit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:51:35 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11355 Rich brings up a lot of names that were beyond me and more importantly frames the problem as does Shibley Fan. There aren't black candidates who fit the profile of what Rod needs. Someone like Kwame who people have brought up is still a rookie in the State Senate and just not ready. On the Latino side, I just don't see Gutierrez because he is such a bad fundraiser. If you are going to appoint someone I assume you want to make sure they'll stick around and Gutierrez can barely pay his DCCC dues. On top of it, the Rezko house sale with him doesn't look like much, but the press would crawl through it. Blagojevich doesn't want Rezko in the news anymore than he already is. Rich points out Flores' problems with Emil so that strikes him. Debra Shore is an interesting idea and I'd love that. She's extremely progressive though and given he'll have to run for reelection with the person appointed, I'm not sure he wants to do that. She also would have strong relations in another area--LGBT. The thing is that could make the black ministers go apeshit. Replacing a black man with a lesbian white woman would be almost their worst outcome. Rich brings up a lot of names that were beyond me and more importantly frames the problem as does Shibley Fan. There aren’t black candidates who fit the profile of what Rod needs. Someone like Kwame who people have brought up is still a rookie in the State Senate and just not ready.

On the Latino side, I just don’t see Gutierrez because he is such a bad fundraiser. If you are going to appoint someone I assume you want to make sure they’ll stick around and Gutierrez can barely pay his DCCC dues. On top of it, the Rezko house sale with him doesn’t look like much, but the press would crawl through it. Blagojevich doesn’t want Rezko in the news anymore than he already is.

Rich points out Flores’ problems with Emil so that strikes him.

Debra Shore is an interesting idea and I’d love that. She’s extremely progressive though and given he’ll have to run for reelection with the person appointed, I’m not sure he wants to do that. She also would have strong relations in another area–LGBT. The thing is that could make the black ministers go apeshit. Replacing a black man with a lesbian white woman would be almost their worst outcome.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11353 ArchPundit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:44:04 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11353 Forrest isn't well liked by the African-American contingent---especially those close to Rod. Emil would probably blow a gasket. I like Forrest and it crossed my mind, but I don't see how he fits what Blagojevich wants. As discussed above, a black or latino candidate not being chosen would make it hard to chose a white male--especially one who is not liked in much of the black community for challenging the Strogers. Forrest isn’t well liked by the African-American contingent—especially those close to Rod. Emil would probably blow a gasket. I like Forrest and it crossed my mind, but I don’t see how he fits what Blagojevich wants.

As discussed above, a black or latino candidate not being chosen would make it hard to chose a white male–especially one who is not liked in much of the black community for challenging the Strogers.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11352 ArchPundit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:40:53 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11352 Poshard being pro-life pretty much eliminates him. I think he's a great guy, but I'd have significant issues with him being appointed even. Poshard being pro-life pretty much eliminates him. I think he’s a great guy, but I’d have significant issues with him being appointed even.

]]> By: RiverRed http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/comment-page-1/#comment-11349 RiverRed Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:06:07 +0000 http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/22/what-if-there-is-a-senate-vacancy/#comment-11349 How about Forrest Claypool? A true reformer and I am sure an ally of Obama if he makes it to the US Senate. How about Forrest Claypool? A true reformer and I am sure an ally of Obama if he makes it to the US Senate.

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