oh my.

Now I’m no fan of lawyers-many of them are arrogant & I support some changes to the tort system. Lawyers can be greedy. But I’m against the 1 sided changes that the AMA wants which is protecting victims of medical negligence. There are AMA Drs. who have had sex with their patients. Are you saying that if an AMA Dr. rapes a patient, that he shouldn’t go to jail? People must fight the AMA & tell the AMerican Medical Assoc. for what they are-a bunch of arrogant turds. I wouldn’t be surprised if the AMA friend who ran the 14 mile marathon with a broken foot opposes compensating victims of medical negligence.

When I talked about weight loss, I mean upper & lower body-BOTH aerobic & anaerobic. Anything which burns alot of calories. Weightlifting while it builds muscle tissue can be a good way to lose weight, because it involes burning many calories. Anything which burns calories loses weight.

Finally, AMA Drs. also fart & poo. Your AMA Dr. friend also goes to the toilet, farts & does turds. But the American Medical Assoc. are a bunch of turds & people must stand up to them & ignore what the AMA says.

Yes NARC, my agenda is limited to limiting sexual activities to straight normal sex only & my agenda is limited to abolishing sex change maimings.

Yes, and therefore you’re a hypocrite.

If some1 who is significantly overweight wants to lose weight, then you have to exercise aggressively-work in the gym both the upper & lower bodies, lift weights.

And now you’re showing your ignorance on medical matters too. Weightlifting isn’t a particularly good way to lose weight. It’s a good way to build muscle, which is anaerobic. To lose fat tissue you need to burn energy, which is best done with aerobic exercise.

The AMA as noted are madeup of a bunch of fat people. Apparently though the AMA Drs. went through years of medical school, many are fat.

I’m not sure what an AMA doctor is and how they are different from a non-AMA doctor. A friend of mine, one of those “AMA doctors” ran 14 miles of a marathon on a broken foot. Until you can do that, you don’t get to whine about how weak they are.

I’m finished with this thread, by the way. You’re not willing to enter in a debate or discussion, just consistently repeating, sans evidence, your moral superiority. You’re constantly changing your argument and refuse to respond to anyone else’s points.

The AMA as noted are madeup of a bunch of fat people. Apparently though the AMA Drs. went through years of medical school, many are fat.

Yes NARC, my agenda is limited to limiting sexual activities to straight normal sex only & my agenda is limited to abolishing sex change maimings.

While the govt. sponsored the Tuskegee Experiment, it was AMA Drs. who participated in it & the American Medical Association’s an apologist for this. The American Medical Association is evil. They don’t want victims of medical negligence to be compensated. For eg. if a Dr. deliberately injects his patients with the AIDS virus, the AMA believes that there should be limits on how much the Dr. should pay in punitive damages. This is bad. Punitive damages are about punishment & are about punishing deliberate & wanton behavior. The more serious the conduct, the more the damages must be. OK, perhaps punitive damages should go to the state, while compensatory damages must go to the Plaintiffs, but the AMA believes that Drs. must not be held accountable when they harm people. Incidentally, many of the AMA Drs. are fat pigs. The AMA is a lobbyist group for & the AMA arrogantly thinks that because they’re Drs. they know the answers when it comes to medicine.

There are patients who won’t listen to their Drs. if they think their Dr. is arrogant. I’ve found that Drs. often give insufficient information such as on weight loss. A common mistake many Drs. make is to advise overweight people to simply diet & walk alot. Walking for obese people is insufficient exercise. If some1 who is significantly overweight wants to lose weight, then you have to exercise aggressively-work in the gym both the upper & lower bodies, lift weights. Now Drs. almost always sincerely want to help their patients & they do their best. Drs. are intelligent, but like every1 else they’re only human & make mistakes.

Your entire argument against gays and lesbians is that “H&L” sex is risky. But you also say that boxers should be allowed to willingly participate in risky behavior: “…if 2 people have the guts to get in the ring & fight, then let them do so.” In other words, risky masculine activities are acceptable, gay sex is not.

It’s pretty clear that your goal here is not harm reduction, but the enforcement of what you consider appropriate gender roles.

If a woman has sex with another woman, then yes, she is a lesbian BEHAVIORALLY speaking. I don’t use the orientation definition, but behavior definition-men fully knowing & willfullly having sex with men & women fully knowing & willfully having sex with women. But porn actresses themselves have said that many get more pleasure having sex with women than men. So yes, given the fact that porn actresses are fully knowing & willfully having sex with other women, they are lesbians, even if that is not their true orientation. If anything, porn actresses are more lesbian than straight. Nina Hartly a porn actress has called herself a heterosexual dyke & she says she likes having sex with women more than men. If a man rapes women, we define him as a rapist by his behavior, even if he doesn’t have the orientation to be a rapist.

As to r.t., the AMA (American Medical Association) & APA, they pander to what is politically safe. The AMA is bad because among other things, the AMA is against boxing & I’m pro-boxing. Yes, boxing carries risks which boxers already know & if 2 people have the guts to get in the ring & fight, then let them do so. The AMA in the sponsored the Tuskegee experiment in the 1930s & 40s, where Black men who suffered from syphilis were lied to & told that they would be cured when all that happened was observation on how VD harms black people. The AMA also is against compensating victims of medical negligence. Now while some changes are needed to the tort system, the AMA are arrogant turds as they are against compensating victims. Each tort case has to be judged by its own facts. The AMA is an arrogation association of Drs. who think they know the answers.

But as this is about reparative therapy, it must be noted that @ 1 time, r.t. was the norm, but esp. since the Simon LeVay report of 1991-92, psychologists have abandoned r.t. But as noted, r.t. for other maladies such as drugs have high recidivism rates. The egs. that Evan gave can also be found amongst junkies who have been unable to quit drugs, because they weren’t helped by r.t., but we don’t abandon r.t. to treat drugs because many try & fail. Though autism has no known cure, we use r.t. that is available to treat it & when newer science comes which can better treat or cure autism, then we use that. Also it’s not just religious groups as you imply.

Dr. Spitzer has said that while homo&lesbians shouldn’t be forced into r.t. as homosexuality was removed from the DSM in 1973, he believes that it must be an option if they want to go straight. Even Simon LeVay said in 2001 that while he dimly views reparative therapy to treat homosexuality, if H&L want r.t. to go straight, then it must be available. Incidentally, using animal sexual behavior such as that of Bonobos as a guide to peopl is a bad idea. Bonobos also fart while dining & even throw turds @ eachother. Crocodiles & rodents sometimes eat their young. The fact that homosexuality & cannibalism is found amongst animals does not change the fact that it’s bad for people.

Yes, reparative therapists have to find treatments or cure for homosexuality which are more convincing than the Dr. Spitzer 2001 report. If you see nothing wrong with homo&lesbian activities, then you’re going to hate what r.t. do. But as noted, if r.t. can discover the 100% cures for h&L & GID, then they have succeeded & the discussions will again change. The world will be a better place with straight normal sex only.

Actually, he has. He’s proven that straight men are really into scat.

do you not understand that porn actresses are not actually lesbians?

i thought…everybody…understood that. they perform those scenes because straight men, as a general rule, get off on watching women have sex with each other. so therefore, the fact that you’ve found woman having sex with each other in straight porn, and that you’ve found elements of really weird fetish-y stuff in said STRAIGHT PORN, marketed to the STRAIGHT MALE COMMUNITY, you have not proven anything, except that there’s all kinds of crazy porn out there. and no, the lesbian scenes in straight porn shouldn’t be repackaged as “lesbian porn,” because, again, those aren’t lesbians; they’re porn actresses going down on each other because straight men like it.

you’d agree, i assume, that straight pornography isn’t exactly an accurate representation, by and large, of the straight community’s collective sexual practices?

i win.

most people who (temporarily) run back into the closet do it based on shame that’s been hammered into them by religion. i’ve known these people personally. one-hundred percent of the people i’ve known who have been involved in these kinds of “reparative therapies” and whatnot, have been sucked in by religious fanaticism.

as to religion, i’m not anti-religion. i’m against people using religion for their own ideological purposes in order to influence others’ lives. when you refer to “beneficial treatments,” it’s helpful to remember that virtually all medical, psychiatric, and psychological organizations condemn “reparative therapies” as harmful and bad medicine. as to doctors, it’s great that Catholics support good medicine. so do Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and whoever else. but the fact is that the physicians working in those institutions do not necessarily hold the beliefs of the religion posted on the side of the building. holy hell, most of the medical experiences i’ve had have been in “Baptist” hospitals. imagine if Baptists were actually overseeing the medical procedures! no, we’ll leave that to the doctors, regardless of their religious persuasions. medicine is based on science, not religion. (unless you’re a christian scientist.) so…what’s the point you were trying to make, exactly?

i see, though, that you’ve mentioned that since oral/anal sex don’t result in procreation, that they’re necessarily bad.

ew. that’s so anti-common sense it’s nuts. if sex was merely for procreation, it wouldn’t feel so good.
and here’s a little opinion of mine i’m sure you’ll find mighty nasty: i think once a heterosexual couple has had one biological child, you know, gotten that out of their system, that they’re merely being selfish by creating more while millions of children around the world are unwanted and starving. and by the way, there are lots of couples, straight AND gay, who have no desire to have children. are you honestly saying that they shouldn’t have sex? personally, i have no desire to have children. due to the fact that i’m gay, there can be no accidents, so thank God for that. but, if i and my future husband, whoever he may be, were to suddenly want children one day, we would be one of the couples lining up to take on children that “nobody else wants.” that’s God’s work, my friend.

I’ve never understood why they show lesbian scenes in porn movies. Why do they show it in Penthouse magazine? Since you asked why I visited porn sites- I like looking @ naked women & they show lesbian scat scenes. Given that most women who star in porn movies engage in lesbian sex, it proves that lesbians (behaviorally speaking) are into porn & scat. I’ve already stated that my views of lesbianism have changed & I think now that the only acceptable sexual activity is straight orthodox or missionary activity-penis entering vagina. You keep discussing orientation/attraction when as noted, it’s about ending H&L activities regardless of attraction change. When we talk about ending drunkard behavior, we mean ending the behavior, even if the alcoholics attractions don’t change.

As far as Charlene Cothran being brainwashed. Of course H&L apologists like you will say such things. You keep saying Christianity, as though that’s the sole reason she changed. OK, Christianity plays a large part, but there are other factors too. Charlene Cothran resarched the harms of H&L activities, which were noted earlier. By carefully evaluating these things, she came to the decision that such behaviors are harmful. She did not have an epiphany overnight & neither did Michael Glatze. She certainly uses Christianity to justify her thinking, but Christianity is just part of it.

You rehashed religion as though it’s a bad thing, when as noted, junkies & alcoholics (drunkards) credit religion for helping them & they believe that if it hadn’t been for Judeo-Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism (though there are far fewer Hindus & Buddhists in America) they would be dead or in jail. OK, psychologists & Drs. can have pro-religious biases, but if they come up with cures or beneficial treatments, then so what ? Atheists will sometimes turn to religious psychologists & hosptials for help if they believe they’ll get better help. Some of the best hospitals & schools are the Catholic hospitals & schools.

As to Michael Glatze, though I’m not a reparative therapist, it can be concluded that r.t. in 2007 is certainly going to be more advanced than it was in 1967. The main reason that Dr. Spitzer concluded in 2001 that he now believes some H&L can change their orientation because reparative therapy has advanced. Perhaps the reparative therapists who treated Michael Glatze have discovered something new which was previously unknown. Dr. Spitzer did say that the # was small & that it was after a long journey, but that change is possible for motivated individuals.

But it’s apparent that continuing this discussion won’t raise anything new. Charlene Cothran knows what you’ll say, because she used to say the same things & has thought about the things you’ve said. H&L activities,GID (which is worse than H&L), sodomy & oral sex are not virtues. They don’t cause procreation.

oh wait. got it. took me a second. same reason Peter does.

um.

yeah.

if you’d ever looked at straight porn in your life, you’d probably know that you can find crazy weird straight sites, as well.

what Charlene’n'Michael do is their own business.

maybe they can get married like John Paulk and that ghastly beast he was on the cover of Time with.

and then Michael can get caught with his pants down. like John Paulk did.

actual science does suggest these days that women have a bit more leeway with sexuality than we previously understood, which explains why many women consider themselves bisexual, and why many otherwise straight women find themselves attracted to women at some point in their lives. whatever. to each her own.

of course, Charlene’s been brainwashed by the BS of right-wing christians. you can also factor in the HORRIBLE homophobia in the African-American community.

so, whatever. like i said, i really don’t care.

we should set up some sort of contest, we gays (you know, at our monthly meeting)…you know, whichever guy is the first to sleep with Michael Glatze post-self-hating-craziness wins like, i dunno, dinner for two at Chili’s or something.