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		<title>By: Dr. Squid</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8793</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How do you know we didn’t give Obama a heads up first?&lt;/i&gt;

I think this statement says it all that you didn't. After all thoise responses, now you come back with that? Am I in 6th grade?

All together now... HACK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How do you know we didn’t give Obama a heads up first?</i></p>
<p>I think this statement says it all that you didn&#8217;t. After all thoise responses, now you come back with that? Am I in 6th grade?</p>
<p>All together now&#8230; HACK!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Squid</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8792</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is your fanboy that did the Tammy Duckworth Duckwalk in the middle of this too?

Figures that scum like that would be deep in with a hack like Sirota. No wonder I don't read that know-nothing's piece of crap work. With friends like that, who needs conservatives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is your fanboy that did the Tammy Duckworth Duckwalk in the middle of this too?</p>
<p>Figures that scum like that would be deep in with a hack like Sirota. No wonder I don&#8217;t read that know-nothing&#8217;s piece of crap work. With friends like that, who needs conservatives?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shibley Fan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Shibley Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Heh. That’s all I have to say."

What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heh. That’s all I have to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>What?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry 101</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8790</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add that at least whathisname at the Beachwood Reporter doesn't hide the fact he dislikes Obama.  Sirota tries to have it both ways.  One, he's a political hack supporting Edwards.  Two, he's an above all that movement politics organizer who just wants to make the party better.

Can't have it both ways, Sirota.  You're a hack, pure and simple.  You're Robert Gibbs with a better public image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add that at least whathisname at the Beachwood Reporter doesn&#8217;t hide the fact he dislikes Obama.  Sirota tries to have it both ways.  One, he&#8217;s a political hack supporting Edwards.  Two, he&#8217;s an above all that movement politics organizer who just wants to make the party better.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t have it both ways, Sirota.  You&#8217;re a hack, pure and simple.  You&#8217;re Robert Gibbs with a better public image.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry 101</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8789</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you completely and totally jettisoned any claim to nonpartisan movement politics the day you officially announced your support for Edwards.  You're just another partisan hack, now.  Congrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you completely and totally jettisoned any claim to nonpartisan movement politics the day you officially announced your support for Edwards.  You&#8217;re just another partisan hack, now.  Congrats.</p>
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		<title>By: rich miller</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8788</link>
		<dc:creator>rich miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice, the little guy didn't answer any of my questions.  Just breezed right on by.

Perhaps he will have to respond whenever he does some "actual" work in Illinois.  But I ain't holding my breath - for his response or his "work."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice, the little guy didn&#8217;t answer any of my questions.  Just breezed right on by.</p>
<p>Perhaps he will have to respond whenever he does some &#8220;actual&#8221; work in Illinois.  But I ain&#8217;t holding my breath - for his response or his &#8220;work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rich miller</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8787</link>
		<dc:creator>rich miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how that happened, but that last post was from me.  Weird.
&lt;blockquote&gt;It's a bug on this installation--it occurs from time to time.  Fixed it for now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how that happened, but that last post was from me.  Weird.</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s a bug on this installation&#8211;it occurs from time to time.  Fixed it for now.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Rich Miller</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8786</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who did you give that heads up to, an intern?

Whomever you called, a heads up before sending out such a breathless release doesn't count.  Getting an answer one way or another is what counts.

Your comment at HuffPost makes it clear that you didn't know for sure what was going on before you opened your mouth, and then later discovered to your dismay that a foot had somehow become lodged in that very same orifice.

An undefined "heads up" is not the same as "doing some real legwork."  Wrong body part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who did you give that heads up to, an intern?</p>
<p>Whomever you called, a heads up before sending out such a breathless release doesn&#8217;t count.  Getting an answer one way or another is what counts.</p>
<p>Your comment at HuffPost makes it clear that you didn&#8217;t know for sure what was going on before you opened your mouth, and then later discovered to your dismay that a foot had somehow become lodged in that very same orifice.</p>
<p>An undefined &#8220;heads up&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;doing some real legwork.&#8221;  Wrong body part.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sirota</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8785</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sirota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, also - can I sell you some real estate? I have a nice property to show you that's built over an old toxic waste dump...it's a very good deal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, also - can I sell you some real estate? I have a nice property to show you that&#8217;s built over an old toxic waste dump&#8230;it&#8217;s a very good deal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Sirota</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8784</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sirota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. That's all I have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. That&#8217;s all I have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: ArchPundit</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8783</link>
		<dc:creator>ArchPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I talked to the campaign and they responded very quickly that they weren't going and that no one had bothered to contact them. And we both know you know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I talked to the campaign and they responded very quickly that they weren&#8217;t going and that no one had bothered to contact them. And we both know you know that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sirota</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8782</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sirota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you know we didn't give Obama a heads up first?

...I hear the crickets chirping...

Maybe you should think first - before opening your trap...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know we didn&#8217;t give Obama a heads up first?</p>
<p>&#8230;I hear the crickets chirping&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe you should think first - before opening your trap&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Miller</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8781</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Larry is assuming too much, but Sirota you're a total goof as far as I can tell.  This is what you wrote over at &lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/obamas-huge-opportunity-_b_53636.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;HuffPost&lt;/a&gt;...

====My guess is that Obama has not accepted ALEC's invitation====


What you did was a cheap hit piece.  Period.

I see these "press release" (which is how it's labeled on your &lt;a href="http://www.progressivestates.org/journalists/626/obama-pressed-to-reject-invitation-from-extremist-group" rel="nofollow"&gt;site&lt;/a&gt;) just about every day, and they're usually designed to bring attention to the attackers, not the issue or the person or persons being attacked.  It's an ego thing, or an organizing thing, or a money-raising thing.  The actual issue means nothing.

====We don’t care if it never gets written into a story.===

Then why issue a press release?  Why wasn't it listed as an "action" post, or something?

===What we care about is being in contact with state legislators.===

I interact with state legislators almost constantly five days a week (or more) and, frankly, nobody I've ever talked to has even once mentioned your group.  Not doing too well on that end.

And, by the way, only the greenest (meaning inexperienced) legislators don't know that ALEC is a conservative organization.  I'm not sure you have to inform anyone of that.  They clearly advertise themselves as such on their &lt;a href="http://www.alec.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, what actual grassroots work do you do in Illinois?  Is setting up convenient bogeymen like ALEC which you can then use to attack anyone who associates with it your idea of organizing?

Have you ever heard of Saul Alinsky, the grandfather of all American grassroots organizers?  Alinsky never sent his organizers into any situation unless they were first invited.  And he had real, honest to goodness, highly trained people on the ground who knew what they were doing.  Your &lt;a href="http://www.progressivestates.org/about/118/plan-staff" rel="nofollow"&gt;staff list&lt;/a&gt; doesn't even list any organizers.  WTF?

You appear to be one of those hollow shell groups that works on "coalition building" with groups that do the &lt;a&gt;real hard work in the trenches&lt;/a&gt; but does no actual organizing itself. That would mean your fingernails might get dirty.  We wouldn't want that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Larry is assuming too much, but Sirota you&#8217;re a total goof as far as I can tell.  This is what you wrote over at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/obamas-huge-opportunity-_b_53636.html" rel="nofollow">HuffPost</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>====My guess is that Obama has not accepted ALEC&#8217;s invitation====</p>
<p>What you did was a cheap hit piece.  Period.</p>
<p>I see these &#8220;press release&#8221; (which is how it&#8217;s labeled on your <a href="http://www.progressivestates.org/journalists/626/obama-pressed-to-reject-invitation-from-extremist-group" rel="nofollow">site</a>) just about every day, and they&#8217;re usually designed to bring attention to the attackers, not the issue or the person or persons being attacked.  It&#8217;s an ego thing, or an organizing thing, or a money-raising thing.  The actual issue means nothing.</p>
<p>====We don’t care if it never gets written into a story.===</p>
<p>Then why issue a press release?  Why wasn&#8217;t it listed as an &#8220;action&#8221; post, or something?</p>
<p>===What we care about is being in contact with state legislators.===</p>
<p>I interact with state legislators almost constantly five days a week (or more) and, frankly, nobody I&#8217;ve ever talked to has even once mentioned your group.  Not doing too well on that end.</p>
<p>And, by the way, only the greenest (meaning inexperienced) legislators don&#8217;t know that ALEC is a conservative organization.  I&#8217;m not sure you have to inform anyone of that.  They clearly advertise themselves as such on their <a href="http://www.alec.org/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>
<p>Also, what actual grassroots work do you do in Illinois?  Is setting up convenient bogeymen like ALEC which you can then use to attack anyone who associates with it your idea of organizing?</p>
<p>Have you ever heard of Saul Alinsky, the grandfather of all American grassroots organizers?  Alinsky never sent his organizers into any situation unless they were first invited.  And he had real, honest to goodness, highly trained people on the ground who knew what they were doing.  Your <a href="http://www.progressivestates.org/about/118/plan-staff" rel="nofollow">staff list</a> doesn&#8217;t even list any organizers.  WTF?</p>
<p>You appear to be one of those hollow shell groups that works on &#8220;coalition building&#8221; with groups that do the <a>real hard work in the trenches</a> but does no actual organizing itself. That would mean your fingernails might get dirty.  We wouldn&#8217;t want that.</p>
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		<title>By: ArchPundit</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8780</link>
		<dc:creator>ArchPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>===You assume that Obama would have done that. Your assumptions are not based in any fact, or even shred of fact. They are just that - mindless assumptions.

No, I think that if you asked there was a possibility he might have done that.  Since you didn't ask, there is no chance he would.  And given the confrontational tone you took with the campaign over something they had nothing to do with, they likely won't do it if you were smart enough to ask the next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>===You assume that Obama would have done that. Your assumptions are not based in any fact, or even shred of fact. They are just that - mindless assumptions.</p>
<p>No, I think that if you asked there was a possibility he might have done that.  Since you didn&#8217;t ask, there is no chance he would.  And given the confrontational tone you took with the campaign over something they had nothing to do with, they likely won&#8217;t do it if you were smart enough to ask the next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2007/06/25/sirota-responds/#comment-8779</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You assume that Obama would have done that. Your assumptions are not based in any fact, or even shred of fact. They are just that - mindless assumptions.&lt;/i&gt;

You couldn't spend a few minutes on a phone call? I guess you didn't want to go against your mindless assumption that you understood things better than Obama did. Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You assume that Obama would have done that. Your assumptions are not based in any fact, or even shred of fact. They are just that - mindless assumptions.</i></p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t spend a few minutes on a phone call? I guess you didn&#8217;t want to go against your mindless assumption that you understood things better than Obama did. Typical.</p>
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