Daily Dolt: How To Marginalize Oneself Take 3643
So when renowns like actress Marissa Jaret Winokur and Illinois state Sen. Debbie Halvorson divulged their history of HPV as the basis for conducting a crusade against it, you’d think they would discourage the destructive behavior causing it by talking about it, such as:
* Discussing the number of sex partners they had throughout their lifetime and how each one increased the likelihood of contracting HPV, or conversely how one can contract HPV from a sole encounter;
* Discussing whether they realized at the time their sex partners carried HPV, which most people do not;
* Discussing whether it was their husbands who passed HPV on to them after sleeping with other women, demonstrating a good reason for fidelity.
But instead of speaking against the cause of HPV, Winokur and Halvorson are instead promoting a vaccination to halt just a tiny fraction of the multitude of consequences of this destructive behavior.
Here is where they erred. After having publicly presented themselves as Exhibit A in this discussion they tried to say, “I have a history of this disease, but my solution excludes assessing the history of my disease.” That is illogical and dangerous. As an RN I’ll add it is bad medicine.
When I presented the aforementioned topics for discussion on a blog this week, liberals accused me of hate, extremism, personal attacks, venom and vitriol.
You mean when you compared Debbie Halvorson to a porn star? Why would anyone think that is a personal attack or venomous, or vitriolic. Poor Jill, she’s just so misunderstood. How else could one make an argument about being against a vaccine without demanding the details of a persons personal life?
She’s also lying, of course. The larger point has been made that the most effective way to reduce these risks is comprehensive sex education. Abstinence only programs are massive failures often leading to greater risk taking when individuals do eventually have sex. Comprehensive sex education provides accurate information on the consequences of sex, but also provides the information about how to minimize those consequences.
Of course, Stanek thinks that premarital sex is comparable to smoking:
So to answer Perry’s question, everyone would welcome a lung cancer vaccine, but wouldn’t turn around and say, “Great, let’s all smoke!” Because we know smoking causes other cancers like laryngeal, esophageal, stomach and pancreatic as well as health problems like heart disease and infertility.
Furthermore, this behavior endangers the health of other people who come in contact with the smoker, like babies born with low birth weight.
Interestingly, the most ardent critics of smoking are lawmakers, who have increasingly sought to discourage this destructive behavior by making it more difficult.
HPV is also the consequence of a destructive behavior, sex outside of marriage.
95 percent of people have premarital sex.
It is certainly true that sex can be unhealthy when it’s simply random sex, but to suggest that 95 percent of Americans are engaging in inherently self-destructive behavior is absurd. Furthermore, when premarital sex is so prevalent it kicks the legs out from underneath the argument that a vaccine for one particular STD is going to promote premarital sex. Premarital sex is and has been the norm.
I’ll repeat, there is nothing conservative commentators like Stanek can say that will cause them to be marginalized.
February 14th, 2007 at
Jill says, ‘So to answer Perry’s question, everyone would welcome a lung cancer vaccine, but wouldn’t turn around and say, “Great, let’s all smoke!”’
Did somebody greet the HPV vacine by saying “Great, let’s all screw!”
Cause if they did, I missed it.
– SCAM
February 14th, 2007 at
No, but I do remember an Eddie Murphy bit about how easy it would be to get laid the day the cure AIDS.
February 14th, 2007 at
It’s bizarre that the kooky conservatives keep running around screeching that giving this vaccine to 9-year-olds will encourage them to have sex.
Duh. The vaccine needs 5 years to take effect (a booster is recommended at 5 years) AND does no good if the woman is already having sex, it needs to be given long before that at, say, age 9.
In addition to the fact that 95% of people have pre-marital sex, the average age virginity is lost is 16. So with an inital vaccination at 9 and a booster at 14 … a girl is vaccinated by 16.
Face facts Jill “Likes Porn” Stanek and friends.
Tangential thought: Does that 95% stat mean only 5% of the population is made up of these social conservatives hopping up and down so??? Otherwise, there are a lot of hypocrites out there.
February 14th, 2007 at
PS; for all the idiots wondering why men shouldn’t be vaccinated… well, see, men don’t get cervical cancer.
February 14th, 2007 at
It’s bizarre that the kooky conservatives keep running around screeching that giving this vaccine to 9-year-olds will encourage them to have sex.
Well, it does take a conservative to think about 9-year-olds this way.
February 14th, 2007 at
The vaccine needs 5 years to take effect (a booster is recommended at 5 years) AND does no good if the woman is already having sex…
I don’t believe either of these things are true. I believe the protection starts after the series of three shots is complete. (Or maybe gradually builds during the series?) It doesn’t take 5 years to develop a resistance to HPV.
The vaccine won’t do much good against a strain of HPV once you’re infected, so it should be administered before exposure. Since that’s usually through sex, it should be administered before becoming sexually active. But if a woman is having sex, it may protect against HPV strains she has not been exposed to yet.
February 14th, 2007 at
I also notice that Stanek still ignores the fact that many women are exposed to this virus against their will. She has, fortunately, stopped saying that if Halvorson had been raped, then she should use this as an opportunity to talk about what she should have done to avoid being raped.
March 6th, 2007 at
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April 11th, 2007 at
[...] The problem lies in that most conservative-partisans along the lines of Ms. Stanek actually oppose sex, and thus oppose anything related to trying to help people who may encounter complications from sex. This explains everything from her strident opposition to abortion all the way to her acidic vitriol against those promoting HPV vaccinations. It also explains why they so vehemently oppose anything related to sex. [...]