Comments on: Even More http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/ Illinois, From Misery Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:34:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Peace to all http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-7119 Peace to all Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:01:48 +0000 http://69.89.31.63/~archpund/2006/12/07/even-more/#comment-7119 Damn right. He has tackled issues no one has in years. He is bringing them to light and that is a great and important thing he is doing. You rightly point out that Sirota makes no mention of Obama's history prior to the Senate. Keep up that great work. Damn right. He has tackled issues no one has in years. He is bringing them to light and that is a great and important thing he is doing.

You rightly point out that Sirota makes no mention of Obama’s history prior to the Senate. Keep up that great work.

]]> By: ArchPundit http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-7118 ArchPundit Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:51:40 +0000 http://69.89.31.63/~archpund/2006/12/07/even-more/#comment-7118 Jerry, I think you've made some great points and generally we agree. I think one thing about Obama though is that while he isn't what I'd call a movement guy, he has been in the past--being a Senator pretty much means you aren't any more, but he is a guy that did grassroots organizing including voter registration drives that were remarkably successful. My increasing frustration with Sirota is partially based on this--no politician is perfect and I don't mind legit criticism of Obama--he is relatively inexperienced than my ideal candidate. But the thing is compared to Sirota, Obama did far more for the grassroots and understands the tensions pretty well. There's no recognition of that history by Sirota. Jerry, I think you’ve made some great points and generally we agree. I think one thing about Obama though is that while he isn’t what I’d call a movement guy, he has been in the past–being a Senator pretty much means you aren’t any more, but he is a guy that did grassroots organizing including voter registration drives that were remarkably successful.

My increasing frustration with Sirota is partially based on this–no politician is perfect and I don’t mind legit criticism of Obama–he is relatively inexperienced than my ideal candidate. But the thing is compared to Sirota, Obama did far more for the grassroots and understands the tensions pretty well. There’s no recognition of that history by Sirota.

]]> By: jerry 101 http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-7117 jerry 101 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:31:35 +0000 http://69.89.31.63/~archpund/2006/12/07/even-more/#comment-7117 Sirota, clearly, is disappointed in Obama. He wants Obama to be an in your face screamer. He wants him to stand up in the Senate and grandstand a la Feingold (whom I greatly and admire and respect). He wants Obama to fight lonely battles against impossible odds and lose. He wants Obama to be everything he's not, and everything Sirota dreams of at night. Sirota, I think - though he won't admit it, also feels hurt that Obama didn't campaign for his boy Lamont. The funny thing here is, is that Lamont is to the right of Obama on, well, everything. Lamont is a big business tycoon. Obama is a Constitutional Law Professor. Could there be a bigger contrast? Sirota has a weird personal vendetta against Obama. It sucks because I like and respect Sirota. I wanted Lamont to win. I would have liked it if Obama had showed up to say a few kind words about Lamont. Sirota is also a movement guy. Obama is not a movement guy. Obama's a politician. Movement people don't win elected office, they force the national discussion to change over time, if they are successful. Sirota, clearly, is disappointed in Obama. He wants Obama to be an in your face screamer. He wants him to stand up in the Senate and grandstand a la Feingold (whom I greatly and admire and respect). He wants Obama to fight lonely battles against impossible odds and lose.

He wants Obama to be everything he’s not, and everything Sirota dreams of at night.

Sirota, I think – though he won’t admit it, also feels hurt that Obama didn’t campaign for his boy Lamont. The funny thing here is, is that Lamont is to the right of Obama on, well, everything. Lamont is a big business tycoon. Obama is a Constitutional Law Professor. Could there be a bigger contrast?

Sirota has a weird personal vendetta against Obama.

It sucks because I like and respect Sirota. I wanted Lamont to win. I would have liked it if Obama had showed up to say a few kind words about Lamont.

Sirota is also a movement guy. Obama is not a movement guy. Obama’s a politician. Movement people don’t win elected office, they force the national discussion to change over time, if they are successful.

]]> By: Andrew Abshier http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-7116 Andrew Abshier Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:41:23 +0000 http://69.89.31.63/~archpund/2006/12/07/even-more/#comment-7116 I really don't know what Sirota's problem is. Perhaps he would prefer that HRC become the nominee? Because it may well happen if Obama is taken down. I'm a bit concerned with his relative lack of experience in world affairs. I have no such qualms with his domestic expertise, based on his record as a state senator. The right running mate (Clark, Richardson) could help defuse that as a campaign issue. I'm relatively new to Illinois (moved here in August, from Florida) so I'm still learning about Obama. Even as a rookie U.S. Senator he is a big step up from Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez! Andy Alton IL I really don’t know what Sirota’s problem is. Perhaps he would prefer that HRC become the nominee? Because it may well happen if Obama is taken down.

I’m a bit concerned with his relative lack of experience in world affairs. I have no such qualms with his domestic expertise, based on his record as a state senator. The right running mate (Clark, Richardson) could help defuse that as a campaign issue.

I’m relatively new to Illinois (moved here in August, from Florida) so I’m still learning about Obama. Even as a rookie U.S. Senator he is a big step up from Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez!

Andy
Alton IL

]]> By: Tom B. http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/12/07/even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-7115 Tom B. Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:24:02 +0000 http://69.89.31.63/~archpund/2006/12/07/even-more/#comment-7115 Love me some Sirota bashing. The things Barack did before the U.S. Senate also must not have anything to do with the Sirota So-Called progressive agenda. Community organizing for fair housing rights, voter registration back in 92, his work as civil rights lawyer, ensuring fairness in the criminal justice system, the earned income tax credit, raising the minimum wage and protecting workers from the Bush administration destroying overtime. Nope, not progressive at all. Clearly he's a triangulating, no principles, fooling everyone with charm and rhetoric kinda guy. Good thing we have the likes of Sirota to save us all. Love me some Sirota bashing.

The things Barack did before the U.S. Senate also must not have anything to do with the Sirota So-Called progressive agenda.

Community organizing for fair housing rights, voter registration back in 92, his work as civil rights lawyer, ensuring fairness in the criminal justice system, the earned income tax credit, raising the minimum wage and protecting workers from the Bush administration destroying overtime.

Nope, not progressive at all. Clearly he’s a triangulating, no principles, fooling everyone with charm and rhetoric kinda guy.

Good thing we have the likes of Sirota to save us all.

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