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		<title>By: gkdhsii</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkdhsii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1304</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; Yes, they make her look worse, but it&#039;s not like they specifically slanted her eyes. However, the stretch seems bad enough&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. Kind of nasty, but not necessarily egregious. I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve all seen a lot worse. On the substance, though, the ad is still an unmistakable piece of trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#38;gt; Yes, they make her look worse, but it&#8217;s not like they specifically slanted her eyes. However, the stretch seems bad enough</i></p>
<p>Exactly. Kind of nasty, but not necessarily egregious. I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ve all seen a lot worse. On the substance, though, the ad is still an unmistakable piece of trash.</p>
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		<title>By: S Woodside</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1303</link>
		<dc:creator>S Woodside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just compared the images in Photoshop very carefully ... it&#039;s unquestionably been stretched horizontally, to make her look fat, or whatever. That doesn&#039;t seem like a very nice thing to do.

As for specifically photoshopping the eyes, I can&#039;t see anything like that when I use &quot;difference&quot; to compare the two images ... the differences are global. Yes, they make her look worse, but it&#039;s not like they specifically slanted her eyes.

However, the stretch seems bad enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just compared the images in Photoshop very carefully &#8230; it&#8217;s unquestionably been stretched horizontally, to make her look fat, or whatever. That doesn&#8217;t seem like a very nice thing to do.</p>
<p>As for specifically photoshopping the eyes, I can&#8217;t see anything like that when I use &#8220;difference&#8221; to compare the two images &#8230; the differences are global. Yes, they make her look worse, but it&#8217;s not like they specifically slanted her eyes.</p>
<p>However, the stretch seems bad enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; Sorry, You&#039;re completely wrong about this.&lt;/i&gt;

This is getting ridiculous. I never had any intention on drawing this discussion out further (lord knows I don&#039;t wish to be mistaken for Charles Johnson) but here we go...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/duckworth_vert.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This image&lt;/a&gt; contains my three versions of the photo. The first is just with the basic manipulations I first mentioned (downsampling + high-constrast Curves adjustment + Unsharp Mask). The second is the same, stretched 115% horizontally (per the numeric controls on Photoshop&#039;s Options bar). The third is ArchPundit&#039;s screen capture from the YouTube video.

For comparison &lt;a href=&quot;http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/duckworth_horiz.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here are the same three versions lined up horizontally&lt;/a&gt;. Note that the vertical scale is all but identical.

QED, no?

Finally, &lt;a href=&quot;http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/roskam.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is a screen capture of Roskam from the very same video compared against two versions of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cookrepublicans.com/content/img/f19025/Peter%20Roskam%202.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this headshot&lt;/a&gt;. The version on the left is unretouched, the version on the right is stretched to 115% horizontally (as with the Duckworth image).

I&#039;d say it&#039;s relatively clear that the image of Roskam seen in the video was &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; stretched in the same manner as Duckworth&#039;s (as we would expect it to be had the entire video been stretched according to Davconn62&#039;s suggestion).

Alright... I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#38;gt; Sorry, You&#8217;re completely wrong about this.</i></p>
<p>This is getting ridiculous. I never had any intention on drawing this discussion out further (lord knows I don&#8217;t wish to be mistaken for Charles Johnson) but here we go&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/duckworth_vert.jpg" rel="nofollow">This image</a> contains my three versions of the photo. The first is just with the basic manipulations I first mentioned (downsampling + high-constrast Curves adjustment + Unsharp Mask). The second is the same, stretched 115% horizontally (per the numeric controls on Photoshop&#8217;s Options bar). The third is ArchPundit&#8217;s screen capture from the YouTube video.</p>
<p>For comparison <a href="http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/duckworth_horiz.jpg" rel="nofollow">here are the same three versions lined up horizontally</a>. Note that the vertical scale is all but identical.</p>
<p>QED, no?</p>
<p>Finally, <a href="http://iconoduel.org/duckworth-roskam/roskam.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a screen capture of Roskam from the very same video compared against two versions of <a href="http://www.cookrepublicans.com/content/img/f19025/Peter%20Roskam%202.jpg" rel="nofollow">this headshot</a>. The version on the left is unretouched, the version on the right is stretched to 115% horizontally (as with the Duckworth image).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s relatively clear that the image of Roskam seen in the video was <i>not</i> stretched in the same manner as Duckworth&#8217;s (as we would expect it to be had the entire video been stretched according to Davconn62&#8217;s suggestion).</p>
<p>Alright&#8230; I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bishop</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1301</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,
You&#039;re completely wrong about this.

 Placing the original over the second image and scaling it to match shows no additional distortions or modified features.

I will give you the consideration that the reproduction has gained contrast and the over sharpening has added slight halos around edges which are a kind of distortion but that&#039;s all.

I will provide a QuickTime movie clicking back and forth between the two if you&#039;re curious.
david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,<br />
You&#8217;re completely wrong about this.</p>
<p> Placing the original over the second image and scaling it to match shows no additional distortions or modified features.</p>
<p>I will give you the consideration that the reproduction has gained contrast and the over sharpening has added slight halos around edges which are a kind of distortion but that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>I will provide a QuickTime movie clicking back and forth between the two if you&#8217;re curious.<br />
david</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1300</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mark: The clincher is the upper lip. Notice how the upper lip at the corner has been widened, extended, and filled. Not even close to the original if it had &quot;only&quot; been stretched, darkened, etc.&lt;/i&gt;

Simply not true. The image is easily recreatable through the steps I note above: downsampling, applying a high-contrast tone curve, over sharpening and a little stretching. I&#039;ve done this myself and would gladly share my images if anyone really cares enough to ask for them.

&lt;i&gt;Eric: I&#039;ve been teaching Photoshop at colleges for years and am considered an expert. This is, no question, a simple use of the smudge tool.&lt;/i&gt;

I would willingly match my Photoshop expertise against anyone&#039;s and can say that, &lt;i&gt;no question&lt;/i&gt;, the smudge tool is unnecessary here.

&lt;i&gt;Daveconn62: ...Also, the stretched-out effect? That&#039;s easily caused by the different aspect ratios that exist in Broadcast TV. Standard television is broadcast in 4 by 3 ratio. It is possible that this image was transfered to another common ratio of 16 by 9.&lt;/i&gt;

You can see the source video for yourself &lt;a href=&quot;http://bridgetinthesixth.blogspot.com/2006/10/roskam-and-nrccs-racist-ads.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right here&lt;/a&gt;. Sure looks like 4:3 to me (and stretching this to 16:9 would deform it far too much to match the above).

I won&#039;t flatly contradict you, but the real test would be to compare it to the images of Roskam himself at the end (or even Ted Kennedy&#039;s in the middle) to see if they&#039;re stretched out at all. As it is, I&#039;ve taken a screenshot of Roskam from the end of the video and compared it against a headshot of him found online, and can assure you that it hasn&#039;t been significantly deformed, let alone to the degree the image of Duckworth has been.

&lt;i&gt;Bob T.: I think her face has been &quot;squeezed&quot; vertically. I took the AP version and, using Paint Shop, I resized the image to 85% of height and 100% of width.&lt;/i&gt;

Stretching it to 115% horizontally as I did would be effectively the same thing as squeezing it to 87% vertically.

So, when it comes down to it, I think they deformed her picture. Ultimately, anonyquack is right, though. It&#039;s about the substance of ad, not the &lt;i&gt;teche&lt;/i&gt; surrounding the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mark: The clincher is the upper lip. Notice how the upper lip at the corner has been widened, extended, and filled. Not even close to the original if it had &#8220;only&#8221; been stretched, darkened, etc.</i></p>
<p>Simply not true. The image is easily recreatable through the steps I note above: downsampling, applying a high-contrast tone curve, over sharpening and a little stretching. I&#8217;ve done this myself and would gladly share my images if anyone really cares enough to ask for them.</p>
<p><i>Eric: I&#8217;ve been teaching Photoshop at colleges for years and am considered an expert. This is, no question, a simple use of the smudge tool.</i></p>
<p>I would willingly match my Photoshop expertise against anyone&#8217;s and can say that, <i>no question</i>, the smudge tool is unnecessary here.</p>
<p><i>Daveconn62: &#8230;Also, the stretched-out effect? That&#8217;s easily caused by the different aspect ratios that exist in Broadcast TV. Standard television is broadcast in 4 by 3 ratio. It is possible that this image was transfered to another common ratio of 16 by 9.</i></p>
<p>You can see the source video for yourself <a href="http://bridgetinthesixth.blogspot.com/2006/10/roskam-and-nrccs-racist-ads.html" rel="nofollow">right here</a>. Sure looks like 4:3 to me (and stretching this to 16:9 would deform it far too much to match the above).</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t flatly contradict you, but the real test would be to compare it to the images of Roskam himself at the end (or even Ted Kennedy&#8217;s in the middle) to see if they&#8217;re stretched out at all. As it is, I&#8217;ve taken a screenshot of Roskam from the end of the video and compared it against a headshot of him found online, and can assure you that it hasn&#8217;t been significantly deformed, let alone to the degree the image of Duckworth has been.</p>
<p><i>Bob T.: I think her face has been &#8220;squeezed&#8221; vertically. I took the AP version and, using Paint Shop, I resized the image to 85% of height and 100% of width.</i></p>
<p>Stretching it to 115% horizontally as I did would be effectively the same thing as squeezing it to 87% vertically.</p>
<p>So, when it comes down to it, I think they deformed her picture. Ultimately, anonyquack is right, though. It&#8217;s about the substance of ad, not the <i>teche</i> surrounding the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: anonyquack</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator>anonyquack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t it bother anyone else that the ad itself is racist?  who cares about the technicalities, which is all this discussion is.  the fact of the matter is, this ad is trying to make tammy duckworth (half southern baptist, half asian) the equivalent of an illegal alien.

that bothers me, a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doesn&#8217;t it bother anyone else that the ad itself is racist?  who cares about the technicalities, which is all this discussion is.  the fact of the matter is, this ad is trying to make tammy duckworth (half southern baptist, half asian) the equivalent of an illegal alien.</p>
<p>that bothers me, a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob T</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1298</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think her face has been &quot;squeezed&quot; vertically.

I took the AP version and, using Paint Shop, I resized the image to 85% of height and 100% of width.

The size is identical, and the appearance of the squeezed image matches the one in the ad.

I learned how to do this in the first place because I wanted to take a few pounds off of a face I was using on a web site.   Stretch the face just a bit, and voila! Ten pounds of weight loss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think her face has been &#8220;squeezed&#8221; vertically.</p>
<p>I took the AP version and, using Paint Shop, I resized the image to 85% of height and 100% of width.</p>
<p>The size is identical, and the appearance of the squeezed image matches the one in the ad.</p>
<p>I learned how to do this in the first place because I wanted to take a few pounds off of a face I was using on a web site.   Stretch the face just a bit, and voila! Ten pounds of weight loss!</p>
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		<title>By: Davconn62</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1297</link>
		<dc:creator>Davconn62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh... guys?  I hate to rain on anyone&#039;s venting parade (especially since I&#039;m usually the first one to call the con-artists out on stuff like this), but, respectfully, I work in video and all of the so-called doctoring everyone is seeing can be explained by the effects video can have on photographs. Notice the horizontal lines in the image to the right of her face? And the wierd horizontal crud up at the top? A sure sign that we&#039;re dealing with an image that has been transfered from digital format to video and back to digital format. This kind of transfer REALLY degrades a photo since video can only reproduce at 72 pixels per inch. This would explain the darkness around the eyes and the courseness of the image quality. Also, the stretched-out effect? That&#039;s easily caused by the different aspect ratios that exist in Broadcast TV. Standard television is broadcast in 4 by 3 ratio. It is possible that this image was transfered to another common ratio of 16 by 9. This gives us the &quot;letterboxed&quot; effect we see so much nowadays, but one effect of this is that it can stretch the image horizontally.

At any rate, let&#039;s be careful not to jump to conclusions lest we throw our credibility to the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh&#8230; guys?  I hate to rain on anyone&#8217;s venting parade (especially since I&#8217;m usually the first one to call the con-artists out on stuff like this), but, respectfully, I work in video and all of the so-called doctoring everyone is seeing can be explained by the effects video can have on photographs. Notice the horizontal lines in the image to the right of her face? And the wierd horizontal crud up at the top? A sure sign that we&#8217;re dealing with an image that has been transfered from digital format to video and back to digital format. This kind of transfer REALLY degrades a photo since video can only reproduce at 72 pixels per inch. This would explain the darkness around the eyes and the courseness of the image quality. Also, the stretched-out effect? That&#8217;s easily caused by the different aspect ratios that exist in Broadcast TV. Standard television is broadcast in 4 by 3 ratio. It is possible that this image was transfered to another common ratio of 16 by 9. This gives us the &#8220;letterboxed&#8221; effect we see so much nowadays, but one effect of this is that it can stretch the image horizontally.</p>
<p>At any rate, let&#8217;s be careful not to jump to conclusions lest we throw our credibility to the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: robbo</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1296</link>
		<dc:creator>robbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s simply a case of carelessly applied unsharp mask filter.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Smith</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been teaching Photoshop at colleges for years and am considered an expert. This is, no question, a simple use of the smudge tool. Try it on the original yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been teaching Photoshop at colleges for years and am considered an expert. This is, no question, a simple use of the smudge tool. Try it on the original yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: grate t-shirt okinawa</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>grate t-shirt okinawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caption for 1st pic: You die, Yankee Dog.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The clincher is the upper lip.  Notice how the upper lip at the corner has been widened, extended, and filled.  Not even close to the original if it had &quot;only&quot; been stretched, darkened, etc.

Indeed, they are a bunch of colostomy bag content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clincher is the upper lip.  Notice how the upper lip at the corner has been widened, extended, and filled.  Not even close to the original if it had &#8220;only&#8221; been stretched, darkened, etc.</p>
<p>Indeed, they are a bunch of colostomy bag content.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://archpundit.com/blog/2006/10/18/oh-the-things-people-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop calling them douchebags. This is highly inappropriate. Would you really want one of them next to a pussy of someone you know? Instead, in the future, please call them colostomy bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stop calling them douchebags. This is highly inappropriate. Would you really want one of them next to a pussy of someone you know? Instead, in the future, please call them colostomy bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the just increased the contrast, particularly the black levels, of the photo as all dark areas of the pic are darker.  It could also be an remnant of the video compression which tend to equalize light and dark areas to flatter whites and blacks.  Just a photog&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the just increased the contrast, particularly the black levels, of the photo as all dark areas of the pic are darker.  It could also be an remnant of the video compression which tend to equalize light and dark areas to flatter whites and blacks.  Just a photog&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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